packing up it’s my job to it to introduce you2add so that was Alexandra Burke and Chris Matilda and3as …

Alexander said they’re here from the conservatory of4music and we are so lucky to have such an5amazing conservatory of music in Victoria and that at least6once a month we have musicians here playing for us7all thanks to the two of you for coming and8…

yeah you sounded terrific thank you so much9welcome to all of you to Victoria’s city hall and10to our council meeting I’ll begin by acknowledging as I11always do it each public meeting that Victoria city hall12and the city of Victoria …

are located on the13homeland of the Songhees and Esquimalt nations …

the Lekwungen14speaking people and we do territory of knowledge men’s …15not only to acknowledge the lands and and the people16who who are here but also to note …

the17ongoing generosity of the Songhees and Esquimalt nations who have18stewarded these territories for thousands of years and to welcome19those of us who have come here more recently in20and welcome us very generously so we’re we’re grateful for21that22we have an agenda before us this evening and we23publish our agenda for council and the public on Fridays24…

so we have almost a week …

both yourselves25and us to look through the agenda and see what’s26on there …

but inevitably changes are made to the27agenda since its publication on Friday and the meeting this28evening so I’m gonna begin by turning to Mr Coates29who is our city clerk and ask him to outline30the changes that have been made to the agenda since31it was published Mr Coates32thank you good evening some of the council the changes33to the agenda tonight first in section see reading a34minutes I can see to the minutes in the daytime35meeting of January twenty third have been added to the36agenda in section II proclamations are there three proclamations added37to the agenda tonight in section F.

public and statutory38hearings regarding item F.

one the January twenty three twenty39twenty council reporting correspondence of an added to the agenda40for the fourteen forty two offered street rezoning and heritage41designation application item F.

to the January twenty third twenty42twenty council report was added to the agenda for the43twenty ten seventeen ten twenty three cook street development permit44with variances application item after three correspondence added …

to45the agenda for eight forty four Johnson street development permit46with variances application in section G.

request to address council47on one name it’s been added to this section in48section H.

unfinished business …

H.

two two H.

for49…

three letters were added to the agenda …

minister50of Canadian heritage minister of public safety and minister of51national defense correspondence …

section I reports of committee today’s52committee of the whole report has been added to the53agenda lastly in section K.

bylaws item K.

to a54revised report has been added for five fourteen five eighteen55to mass street rezoning …

in Cape three a revised56report has been added for …

one oh nine and57thirteen fifteen cook street eleven hundred eleven twenty eight street58and also eleven on nine eleven fifteen Johnson street rezoning59and development permit with variances application60thank you very much for that Mr Coates …

with61…

those amendments in mind can we have a motion62to adopt the agenda thanks moved by councillor alto and63seconded by councillor Dubow a council we’ve received one late64late requests to address council …

so I need a65motion or an amendment to add Laura Merryweather as speaker66G.

three67thanks moved by councillor Dubow second accounts our eyes it68all those in favor any opposed none opposed that amendment69carries councillor there any further changes to the agenda70okay seeing none all call the question all those in71favor of the agenda are there any opposed none opposed72that carries …

the first thing we need to do73this evening is our our a Dr minutes now we74have two sets of minutes here of the minutes from75the daytime meeting of January the sixteenth and the minutes76of the daytime meeting from January twenty third so if77I could have a motion to adopt both sets of78minutes thanks moved by councillor alto seconded by councillor Potts79is there any discussion all those in favor any opposed80none opposed that carries81the next section of our agenda are the requests to82address council …

and the people who are speaking in83this section as well as in section G.

are people84who have signed up …

in advance …

by our85website or by coming into lead services …

to address86council …

people are free to speak on any topic87of their choosing and all the topics are listed here88on the agenda I’ll just give a few instructions before89this section begins …

and I may have to give90them again that says section G.

in case some of91those speakers aren’t here so for the people who are92speaking of this is an opportunity for council and for93the public to listen to what to what you have94to say I it’s not an opportunity for back and95forth discussion between counsel and yourselves so if you are96speaking out we have your contact information and if there’s97something that …

one councillor or many of us I98wish to follow up with you afterwards we will do99that to …

by email or by phone call …100again for those who are speaking out when you get101to the microphone there’s a clock on it and it’s102got five minutes …

and a green light …

so103when you get down to one minute the light will104turn yellow and when you get to zero minutes the105light will turn red and that is your cue to106stop speaking and I need to keep you know that107so please don’t make me cut you off it feels108terrible to have to do so but I do need109to be fair so that everyone has the same amount110of space for those of us who are listening …111will just simply listen …

a if you’re standing at112the microphone for the first time and everybody claps it113feels great if everybody boos it feels terrible …

and114we’ve had both happen here so for those reasons we115ask for no clapping or brewing I just simple and116respectful listening so that this safe the space remain safe117for everyone for the entire evening118so with that …

I need a motion to …119except the first six speakers thanks moved by councillor although120seconded by councillor Dubow all those in favor any opposed121none opposed that carries …

that our first speaker this122evening is Daniel bear123good evening 124good evening thank you for this opportunity to address the125council I believe that you all have a copy of126the original letter I wrote some time ago detailing my127specific concerns about the ongoing no he’s disruptions coming from128our immediate neighbours129to avoid repeating myself I would like to ask the130council to consider the larger implications of the current bylaws131regarding neighbourhood noise132I have received much helpful information and insight into current133bylaw guidelines and Forsman from madam Sheffield the officer assigned134to our case135over the last months he has been very attentive to136this case and has been fair and balanced with both137sides I believe the tenants in question of abided by138is requests and are currently in compliance139that being said the status quo is that they are140still legally allowed to work on their car repair Harbi141from eight AM until eight PM if they wish at142unbelievably high and allowable decibels143we have had to flee our backyard on numerous occasions144over the last five years because of the noise145Adam inform me as to what the process was when146the city tried to determine allowable noise limits and while147the sound tech company attempted to encompass all possible scenarios148hobbies home construction eccentric I believe they didn’t anticipate that149some people would abuse the privilege and that is exactly150what it is and essentially prioritize their hobbies over what151I believe is every homeowner’s right to have peace and152quiet and they’re outside living environment153such is the case with us our home is our154sanctuary the gentleman immediately behind us twenty five feet away155or often home for days at a time and on156some occasions of spend entire weekends grinding metal hammering sawing157and crashing around while they work on the recreational vehicles158I have experienced personally much stress because of this and159while the by laws have helped to force these men160to clean up their construction mass it is had no161efficacy on inciting them to tone down the regular disruption162in our neighborhood and backyard163we feel we are at the mercy of their whims164that doesn’t feel just to me165we understand that we are not the only residents to166experience the situation in an urban setting yes it is167life in the city yes we accept that a certain168amount of compromise an inconvenience comes along with that reality169but I would ask the council to reconsider the allowable170time limits for such hobbies in light of the fact171that the noise might be a perpetual presence in the172neighborhood173also requirements for enclosed garages to do this sort of174activity any measures to help ameliorate the tension between neighbors175who have different priorities for how they wish to spend176the recreational time in their own residents177thank you for your consideration thank you very much for178coming this evening thank you our next speaker is Matthew179Ford180you have the sort of this 181good evening welcome hi thank you very much I haven’t182written a script here or anything I just want to183get right to the point …

there’s been a big184problem with finding a location for the crystal pool and185I was wondering about the corner of hillside and Blanshard186which used to be a school at one time in187the so now there’s this big wide open field it’s188not being used for anything I’ve brought out pictures that189show the vacant area right across the street is the190new of long term care unit on based on the191close item you and …

I’m afraid that land that192I have just highlighted there is going to be used193for something like condos if it’s not taken up quickly194you’ll notice on the picture that all the trees are195on the outside edges that property so there would be196no problems with the city or public complaining about tearing197down trees because it’s all set for you198it’s just an idea 199thank you so much 200thanks for bringing us a picture to 201our next speaker please is Michael of want 202okay I may call again at the end I will203call again at the end to see if Mr Labonte’s204has arrived but in the meantime we’ll go to the205next bigger …

Mary Ellen Brockman206good evening welcome thank you 207thank you for your patience and for this opportunity to208share209this poem then I’m reading is called reconciliation 210this is colonialism 211we take the lands where you’ve had routes and we212take the cease and all her fruits you say her213and you show respect214we’ve consumed her since contact 215…

lives are great so once we better we are216strong and weird go getters okay we stole her I217agree218but now she’s owners don’t you see 219we see your lives are filled with whoa we put220you there in places where we would not go221your lives are shorter and filled with soil 222for such a life we fought hard to spoil health 223but we don’t know you not a thing we are224great we surely saying we can’t believe you watch your225right we can’t believe our might isn’t always right226okay we signed treaties and then we broke them we227stole your kids and we spread disease tell our children228what we did killing fields apprehend229torture chambers we call school 230our shameful past our shameful past our racism still kills 231this is colonialism 232but it wasn’t I who stole your lands and it233wasn’t I who killed your plans so it isn’t I234who should reap whole we are innocent235we love to say 236when we born to be the ones to inherit the237lands on welfare board bears one we love our car238is in there Big Boy toys we lived long lives239filled with joy240we buy our stocks and we sell our bones and241zone along the field doctor sees hi242transit TV’s mount Holly comes to mind 243we take it all and yes we do so laugh244saying it’s necessary for245needs 246this is also our colonialism 247but from where do all these wonders com that filler248and re little Tom Tom from where this magic these249delights um everything right why from the mines in from250the sea is from the forest he van every last251old growth trees and only yes we say we’ve paid252with world wide world orders and places where you cannot253even print with254parasites our culture breeds as saddest companies create our needs255we are consumers not one256with godly works we tried to even the score on257her258and this is our decadent colonialism 259our colonial ways have not ever changed 260our laws our story T.

rarely man’s we spelled empty261words and we make a lot of token gestures from262glazed sullen I use263we say but I don’t understand and 264ten million peoples of ten thousand years protecting and nurturing265these turtle island lands where elder was demand potlatch power266fed the clans where hereditary leadership could not be bought267and sold balance with nature268not heard by our souls we stacked the deck with269our stone cold hearts insisting we’re playing at dishonor insisting270we aren’t playing a dishonorable game in an unrelenting genocide271that we must hold dear as again we stick the272RCMP on First Nations still ruling force and fear273thank you for your patience thank you very much for274your palm275our next speaker please is Nicholas PK book 276okay we’ll go to the next speaker then Charlotte mass277man278so I was good timing good time welcome 279for work 280so how does it work with it power point that281I think it is come on up to the podium282and we’ll get your power point up okay 283and you say you miss the instructions about the clock284…

but there’s five minutes for you to to speak285with us and when you get down to one minute286the light will go yellow just to give you a287bit of a queue okay that’s great288and this my clicker 289okay so …

hi I’m the question I want to290address today is are the advisory bike lanes that have291been recommended for Richardson appropriate292and 293and are they triple a infrastructure for all ages and294abilities so I had a look at the city of295Victoria’s own guidelines about this …

and there are three296things that count as triple a infrastructure297protected by glass lanes like the ones on Pandora I298shared facilities um and this council itself directed …

that299these facilities be based on target Williams of five hundred300two thousand vehicles per day and speeds of thirty computers301are last and off street pathways like the galloping goose302I’m currently was on Richard St …

thirty five hundred303to four thousand cars per day and I would just304feeds are fifty to fifty five kilometers per hour so305that does not seem to be a good fit306so I know specifically to address the armor example because307I just moved here with my family from Ottawa in308the summer …

and the place in Ottawa …

where309it was re by cleans were installed was I wasn310kilometer from my house …311with Somerset street east from range wrote to King Edward312Avenue and at the time of implantation seventy six percent313of peak traffic was bike and pedestrian so unlike rejection314now315…

it’s basically in active transportation link …

between a316dowry crossing and court term bridge317I’m in the community did not ask for advisory bike318lanes that’s for a sidewalk widening319…

improved winter maintenance arm and …

removal of parking320so there would be more room for cyclists and to321accommodate the wider a sidewalk so this is a map322here and the blue line …

is …

Somerset street323east and you can see on the eastern end324is a doorway crossing which is a bridge across three325don’t326and then at the western end there’s a bridge across327the Rideau canal …

and then east of there is328let’s go collegiate institute high school and city hall so329this is really right downtown in all the while330so I’m gonna give you a little example here of331why I don’t think the ones in Somerset works and332why I don’t think that would work here so this333is and I’m not and I in fact happens to334be my youngest child I’m and this is her when335she was six biking home from swimming lessons with her336older brother …337that was a 15 kilometer round trip 338…

and so she bites of the health commuters to339swimming one seven have common or some and not was340fine …

because it was safe there NO crescent341then when she was nine she wanted to bike to342grow guides at the same hills community centre …

which343is about two thirds of the way …

downtown alone344Somerset street east345so as father and brother right to work and school346on this route daily my husband work downtown347I’m and …

and his older brother we went to348Mr clean just institute this is the bike box …349at the top of …

Somerset350…

which as you can see is not exactly on351the roads …

I looked through all of my pictures352to my husband has hundreds of pictures like that’s taken353every day on his way to work354the photo didn’t come through okay so anyway the route355that Anna faces on the way to god’s house painted356lines357they’re not segregated so vehicles park in them frequently 358the lands have now by first it said the cyclist359bikes in the dorms so360parked vehicles in the lands for cyclists into the center361lane in front of motor traffic362and there’s frequent north south traffic so drivers often or363yell at you stress traffic that has the right of364way365I’m an old my children have been yell that works366one at all not route367all right now we’ve got it 368so 369the answer to my question the morning of time basically370is no they’re not similar is not appropriate model it’s371not appropriate here372thank you very much and we do have your presentation373so we can review it374so I called earlier for two speakers who work here375yeah I’m gonna go back and see if they are376here now also is Michael look want abbante377okay hasn’t arrived and Nicholas PK broker bullock 378okay since we’ve only had four speakers on the first379section allows for six I’m gonna skip to section G.380just in case there three people who were listed there381would like to speak now and can go home if382they so choose …

so is Ryan Wilson here383excellent come on up 384good evening welcome thank you long time listener first time385caller386thank you councillor man for having me …

why am387I here I’m here because I a really and just388had a limit with the …389the lack of of help that we’re receiving and our390area of small business from the city of Victoria police391…

in regards to nine one one calls no longer392being393art nine one one calls never being responded to our394last threes as such and being told when we call395nine one that …

calls are not appropriate and should396be directed to non emergency lines when they’re being called397at seven thirty eight at night when that’s obviously not398active at the time you’re not gonna see anything the399reason I came is because I have a six year400old a three year old the first thing we were401trying to teach them is when there’s a problem call402the police it down nine one one we’ve been taught403that since a young age and when I told her404I was coming here and she asked me what are405you talking about that was exactly at so getting an406answer to why I have others people’s children working for407me at my store because I’m at home with my408kids in the evening I’ve young younger staff twenty to409thirty years old people’s children I want something pops off410and they wanna call nine want to get some help411because there’s no security the last time we call412no one showed up I’ve called in the past in413the last six months no one showed up414at the time to go to city hall speak with415the office because some officers get an idea of what416they’re dealing with took the last couple months spoke with417police officers probably more418then I’ve been spoken to by police officers in my419life …

just to find out where they’re at just420to have a better idea because for me at pick421up the phone I call expected because the society we422live in we live in Victoria British Columbia arguably one423of the best place the world to live safety security424health wellness all part of being here and that’s why425we’re here426so why is it getting to this point stopped ten427police officers in last two months just him straight up428that I don’t want your name don’t want any information429but just in all honesty as a business owner downtown430how well supported do you feel431by the city of Victoria’s council and mayor 432over 10 433just a heads up I’m sure you guys know that434with your dialogue maybe in personal but there wasn’t a435single police officer that I stopped that felt that council436and city of Victoria’s doing what they can do to437help them to secure the area or in their screen438shopping area shoreline no you from the store policies on439the eight so we sell pet food fun place to440be but it’s not easy when there are these problems441that we are dealing with I know it’s a bigger442issue but we need some progress on this because it’s443I don’t want to take something bad happening for everyone444to wake up to this so thanks for hearing me445out hopefully some of that made sense thanks very much446for coming447our next speaker is Brandon in S.

448good evening welcome 449at good evening 450my name is Brandon and S.

and I live at451two hundred dollars road452…

I was born at Victoria General Hospital and I’ve453lived in Victoria my whole life and I’ve lived in454James Bay for the last seven years455so as long as I’ve been living in the city456…

the cost of living in housing in particular has457risen dramatically …

as has the number of people458I’m more recent years has been especially true and as459the number of people coming to the city has increased460so is the number of people living on the streets461and in the vehicles462and 463as long as I’ve lived in James Bay …

specially464more recent years have seen more vans campers and other465vehicles parked on Dallas road and around Beacon Hill park466and this isn’t a surprise to me because a someone467has moved four times within James Bay I understand that468the housing crisis and affordability of the city makes this469pretty much inevitable470…

whenever I thought about the people living in these471vehicles it was with respect for the creativity the adaptability472and the resilience to live in those conditions they’re finding473ways to make ends meet just like every other working474person in Victoria475so last week the city was petition to enforce bylaws476by ticketing people sleeping in their vehicles on Dallas road477…

the reasons given by the petitioners or that the478Beacon Hill area has had an increase in crime and479garbage and that people living in their vehicles are not480respecting the area481as a resident of James Bay I find no reason482to believe that the people …

sorry that these alleged483problems are due to the people sleeping in their vehicles484as long as I’ve lived in Victorian James Bay I’ve485never had any problems caused by the people in their486vehicles sleeping on Dallas road487I consider them to be my neighbors and I given488the same respect that I would give to anyone else489who lives in James Bay490and to that end of started a counter petition along491with my neighbors people who live on Dallas road and492James Bay and Victoria as a whole493and I’ve collected almost five hundred signatures of people who494believe that enforcing the bylaw and affecting the vehicle dollars495on Dallas road is counterproductive and only further problems for496the city of acting the people sleeping in their vehicles497on Dallas road498will not change the fact that they live in their499vehicles500…

they’ll find other places in the city to park501and sleep overnight or they’ll just stay and be ticketed502I will end up shuffling around from neighborhood to neighborhood 503and force them and even more and even more insular504and underground community where they feel like they can’t trust505the communities and the people that they live around506…

we believe that suspending or not enforcing the bylaws507a reasonable response to the housing crisis in Victoria508and that we need to look for solutions that can509enable everyone to have a decent quality of life and510a place to sleep511thank you thanks very much for coming this evening 512so we’re gonna go back now to the …

section513or gender that we were in …

are bylaw allows514six speakers in section D.

and then everybody else needs515to go in section G.

so we’ll hear from Laura516merry whether at that time so we move on now517to proclamations and …

the proclamation section of the agenda518…

are for pauses …

organizations so people will bring519forward a proclamation for certain because there are certain …520…

organization for a particular day or or week or521month to be proclaimed after a certain because so that’s522how these end up here …

we have three proclamations523this evening and the first is heritage week twenty twenty524from February seventeenth to February twenty third nineteen thanks moved525by councillor although seconded by councillor Dubow …

any discussion526all those in favor any opposed none opposed that carries527the next is British Isles historical festival date of February528twenty second twenty twenty someone move that one thanks moved529by councillor Potts is there a seconder seconded by councillor530Loveday thank you any discussion all those in favor are531there any opposed none opposed that carries …

the next532is chamber of commerce week February seventeenth to twenty first533I could someone move the moved by councillor Thornton Joe534seconded by councillor young …

is there any discussion yes535councillor Isitt I am unfortunately not able to support this536…

I’ve had growing concerns …

around …

the greater537Victoria chamber of commerce and what appears to be a538fairly narrow …

political agenda that they’re pursuing …

against539…

progressive you points and several members of this council540and this includes …

defamatory comments and statements issued through541their newsletter and on their website …

and so I542can’t in good conscious support endorsing this week a given543the very irresponsible conduct of that organization including …

statements544completely false and to put them to Tory statements as545recently as yes546today suggesting that myself and a couple of other council547members were …

we’re of Idoling traffic an occupying the548bridge and I haven’t been anywhere near any bridge occupations549…

in this community and so …

I wish I550could support this …

but until I see a much551higher standard of conduct from this organization I won’t be552in a position to endorse their activities and I think553the city should review its membership in this organization554thank you very much any further discussion yeah councillor Thornton555Joe yeah says the mover of this …

proclamation I’m556happy to support I think …

…

the chambers …557longstanding …

or whether you like on institution nonprofit with558that559the thousands of members and with the city being one560of them and …

the members of the chamber …561have contribute greatly to the economic vitality of our our562communities and so I’m able to support this this partnership563thank you any other comments councillor young564yeah my support of this proclamations certainly doesn’t 565indicate I support every opinion and view expressed by the566chamber …

anymore than my support of other organizations means567that I support every opinion and view they may …568put forth569you very much councillor Dubow 570and fellow in the 571the comments made by councillor I sit in terms of572the email that you received from the chambers and also573adding to the views of council yeah and I I574emailed back to the chambers tool to have a phone575discussion with them but a bit again it comes back576to who seconded that email on who makes the decision577on for me if I578and oppose these I wonder what message it was sent579to the business and honor is in in the community580and that’s where my hesitance comes to supporting because I581do support Victoria business in part to occur Lee local582on business because they play a significant role in advancing583economic and also engine to contribute to healthy communities so584I know a lot of business owners on if I585don’t support this I wonder what and perception it would586send and what it was signal from the council and587having say that it’s a it’s really bothered me to588receive that email on I’ve responded on I look forward589to having discussion and I’m understanding more how do they590decide to and send and591he caught distribute email on who are the subscriber is592to that these serve due to those reasons our support593this because I’m hesitant what perception it will send if594I oppose595thank you very much further discussion yeah councillor Loveday 596yes similarly to councillor Dubow …

Stephanie very concerned to597receive …

a newsletter that has false information …

about598myself and other councillors in it and …

deeds take599that up with …

emails and a phone call with600…

staff people from the chamber of commerce today …601they have said that they will issue a retraction …602I wasn’t603I wasn’t a happy with it the way they responded604I didn’t think it was adequate …

but I also605don’t think that there …

the content of their email606newsletter has been vetted by every member or by the607board of the organization and I I’m afraid that if608we …

if I vote against this proclamation …

it609becomes political and then that makes all of our proclamations610political and that and …

will definitely change the nature611of the proclamation process …

and I think that that612not only would613take us a lot of time to debate the merits614of each proclamation we’ve made it so it is sort615of a a rubber stamp thing where we’re organizations can616come in get recognition from the city and I think617that that’s a a meaningful process …

for the organizations618that used to partake in it …

so in the619spirit of not …

changing this process at this time620…

without a broader policy discussion I will vote in621favor today622thank you very much with that I will call the623question all those in favor any opposed cancer as it624as opposed to that proclamation is passed we move on625now to the next section of our agenda which are626public and statutory hearings …

this section of the agenda627involves for the most part land use applications other of628three applications this evening …

for the rezoning applications they’ve629begun …

in a conversation with the community has and630they make their way through staff at to a committee631of the whole meeting …

and then here to our632table this evening for final consideration I with the development633variance …

applications they start with the an application to634staff come through committee of the whole and end up635here tonight so the purpose of this evening on all636three applications is to hear from the public and the637applicant to learn more about the applications and then to638make a decision …

council has a certain level of639expectation …

during these hearings and all this read out640a short statements also printed at the top of the641agenda …

and it’s similar to what happened during the642requests to address council but this is a statutory process643so it’s even more important um so as mayor it’s644my responsibility to ensure that this remains a safe space645for everyone and as such if I witness …

at646what I consider to be discriminatory statements against anyone for647any reason and all of the reasons are listed there648…

in the agenda …

I may interrupt the speaker649I may ask the speaker to provide their feedback in650writing rather than verbally …

I may call a recess651in the meeting or take any other measures to ensure652that the space remain safe for all and that everyone’s653human rights are respected so probably won’t be a big654deal tonight because it doesn’t seem to be anything contentious655but …

that’s our policy we hope that you’ll …656you’ll it here to it …

so without I’m gonna657ask staff to and …

introduce fourteen forty two Elford658street the rezoning application heritage designation application and they’ll invite659the applicant forward …

and after that I will invite660the public661good evening good evening thank you mayor helps the members662of council663the rezoning application for fourteen forty two L.

for street664is to rezone from the single family dwelling district zone665to a new zone in order to convert the existing666house into five ground oriented dwelling units there is a667concurrent heritage designation application to heritage doesn’t the existing building668the applicant is also has also entered a housing agreement669to ensure that future strata bylaws do not prohibit rental670the mass for council’s consideration are the support ability of671the rezoning application and the heritage designation of the existing672building that’s proposed thank you thank you very much without673all in by the applicant forward to make a presentation674for council675and the public 676good evening welcome good evening 677Chris 678our first of would like to apologize to one of679our members I couldn’t make it here soon I do680today professional …

conflict risk our who is the architect681of record on this project682on his decision 683as a single work 684Mr Coates Kay there you go okay got it okay 685…

so essentially a forgive my nervousness and I’m not686really given us fifteen minutes with us if you can687is fine …

don’t have to use it all the688time yeah go ahead okay …

ways actually have been689working on this for I guess of approximately a year690on we’ve spoken to heritage a few times about …691to make sure that everybody is satisfied with what we’re692doing and …

I guess the the heritage part of693that I see as a as a good thing of694course …

the695if we had sort of started on his own that696existed in the beginning we would have probably been finished697by now we would have three larger units it didn’t698make financial sense and it also would have been a699lot of the ship noticeably more money for the purchase700price of bigger units all our our plan was basically701five smaller units one of them just a little bit702under five hundred square feet …

definitely definitely more affordable703and …

we supply parking in the back for one704car per unit …

which we intend to supply everybody705well what will will run from and what we’ll put706him in as we go …

for a lecture cars707so …

this this house is definitely in need of708of this has …

a brick foundation709…

cuts to plaster ceilings that are pretty much done710so it’s it’s basically time why I hope to tell711you will look favorably upon so just maybe go through712the pictures and see if there’s anything else I can713respond or Brian so as you can see in this714house has suffered from the …

basically Demichelis demolition by715neglect …

as as Dan mentioned brick foundations …

one716good shaker and this house will come down …

it’s717desperately in need of rehabilitation and the cost of rehabilitation718to the standards of current codes and seismic codes are719protect prohibitive for any one individual to undertake …

we720intend to see this …

rehabilitated to the point where721it enjoys at least another one hundred years …

of722presents and respect on Elford street723…

is flanked …

it to the south by its724sister house built by the you know the history of725it but more than I do this these are the726answer the Elford brothers there was I feel is in727the greenhouse and John was in the house beside it728so they’re they’re two brothers back at the turn of729the century on the street is named after the730so there’s a lot of problems in …

within this731house on the street and within a and and put732into the occupants …

who …

and have it in733this house734is this a little bit of context …

most of735this is a lot of a multi family dwellings around736that …

surround it737our discussions there so that 738so in order to achieve what we need to achieve739…

we need to relocate the house …

across …740to the north and relocate it forward …

to provide741access to the rear yard for one Sixt parking stall742per unit743we’ve taken a lot of trouble to …

utilize research744and utilize carrot colors other of Harry’s nature of these745are all colors from the …

Benjamin Moore heritage palette746this printer to the west coast747 748the the the ground floor AS two great aerated units749in this two suites on the second floor and the750top floor has one sweet751nine is the landscape plan …

so there was that752illustration there you can see …

the renovated structure …753on the street move forward and and recited …754LL Sweeney’s say here 755it don’t don’t feel forced if if you’re okay 756basically alterations the existing house we’re going to add a757four foot addition on the rear …

and that’s been758reviewed by heritage …

the house will be lifted …759by one point three meters was still the below the760roof or that the hyphen the Jason Victorian house …761the existing is best us stock siding will be removed762…

when we get like ninety nine percent confidence that763the regional cladding underneath is still in excellent condition …764details like the front porch …

railing assembly will be765…

restored to …

based on photographs we have Hey766heritage for his grass we have …

window sashes we767bought up to code by the use of …

…768heritage approved a and and co to quibble in dem769storm storm windows770…

the chimneys gonna be rebuilt because you’re lifting house771to house the chimneys are going to suffer so the772change will have to come down and it will be773rebuilt actually as a as a shall be a non774functional chat to anybody rebuilt it exactly as it was775before776as you can see from the image …

most of777the lower floor which is …

houses the778to …

grade or a garden sweets …

I know779is not visible from the street and is also city780of the screen from adjacent properties for this go back781one you can see on that will photograph in the782lower corner there …

that’s where we know what the783really some is gonna look like on the porch 784so is that there is the extent of other additions785out early either at changes are essentially few adicional scholars786at four feet off the back …

and …

they’re787all we consider to be fairly benign788as you see again the other heritage colors that we’ve789chosen very carefully to to work well in this neighborhood790…

does the property have sufficient heritage value or heritage791character welding a and are in our submission we think792we outlined that pretty well that …

both in terms793of the …

the quality of the structure and the794province of its occupants seasons relationship the Victor is history795…

stands as well in the heritage component in our796application for frozen for the designation797so and and and some of I guess we with798we feel this is a not a great opportunity to799achieve two things that improve the heart of housing stock800and for an would button do it in a manner801that …

is respectful and …

saves a significant Victorian802house803thanks very much there’s one and …

just like to804add the time will regardless as to the outcome this805evening I would like to thank Kathy Cameron who lives806in Oregon I think she’s probably push and ninety and807it just so happens that we were able to locate808her and she gave us all kinds of historical photographs809there was a picture that you don’t have here but810it shows are as a little kid sitting on the811front porch with a model a background absolutely the highlight812of of this project for me was eight meeting her813stop talking that’s great thank you accounts are there any814questions at this time815okay are there no questions from council will do the816public hearing if there any questions that arise from members817of the public will will come back and invite you818that gentleman back up819so I will now open the public hearing and ask820if there’s anyone here who wishes to comment on this821application if you do you can just come forward it’s822the same format as earlier there’s five minutes on the823clock824and when it gets yellow and zero minutes it gets825read826for a second time is there anyone who wishes to827comment828and for a third and final time 829okay seeing no speakers I will close the hearing 830Hey …

so of a cat will will go to831councillor alto as the mover and councillor Loveday is a832seconder but before we do that …

in the formal833proceeding in the evening requires a Mr Coates reads the834bylaw to staff for certainty so we’ll have Mr Coates835read the by Lionel looked for a mover and seconder836Mr Coates837thank you and there’s a couple of bylaws here so838first up is consideration of third reading for both zoning839amendment bylaw number twenty dash zero zero five as well840as third reading of heritage designation bylaw number twenty dash841zero zero four thank you moved by councillor alto and842seconded by councillor Loveday accounts are also go ahead as843the mover844sure just briefly …

really appreciative of the presentation but845particularly appreciative of the approach that’s been taken to saving846this particular house a really interesting balance between preserving the847history and heritage and looking at how you can maximize848the number of units within the building itself I think849this is a really sensitive proposal and tries to accomplish850as much as possible and really succeeds …

within the851uh of the footprint and the capacity of the existing852building with just a few changes in that additional height853so up I think this is a great example of854what can be done with the existing houses to create855title five more units and do it in a way856which857very much reflects the tone of the street in the858neighborhood and really makes a great effort to respect that859history that you describe particularly interesting hearing the story about860when he regional occupants of so I just wanna thank861the applicants for the work they’ve done with this and862I think this is the next example of what we863can do864thank you councillor Loveday is the seconder yeah …

until865…

few months ago I I lived half a block866away from their end …

would walk by it …867quite often and see …

that …

the the term868that the applicant used as demo and demolition my by869neglect and and my fear was that I would …870see the the project come here …

and knocked down871because it is a beautiful old house um so very872grateful to see it and come forward …

and in873a way that will …

preserve the heritage and create874new housing stock for another hundred years I think this875is a note standing application look forward to supporting it876and …

and I also mention the fact that I877I if I could no longer live there so I’m878not in a conflict of interest if I’d ever indicated879that I was in the past880you are there any other comments 881okay I just like to make one not I’m very882supportive of the application …

and for council is going883to get tired of me saying this but I don’t884think that these kinds application should need to be rezoned885…

this is missing middle housing and we’re working on886a missing middle housing …

plan right now so that887if you’re building for units are receiving better restoring and888has a heritage designation for units you should just need889to come here for your heritage designation the zoning should890be a right …

so we’re working on not until891it’s there I’m gonna keep saying it just remind us892all that …

we can make the process easier and893create more housing for people but with that …

this894application I am supportive of so I’ll call the question895all those in favor any opposed none opposed that carries896a next on this matter Mr Coates along with those897the same to balance it just got through reading and898there’s the addition of the housing agreement bylaw number twenty899dash zero zero six all three of those bylaws for900consideration of adoption thank you moved by councillor although second901by councillor Loveday any discussion all those in favor any902opposed none opposed that carries I’ll just take this opportunity903to904…

explain us some of what you might be witnessing905up here …

in terms of how we vote and906why we vote in the way we vote …

for907those of you here here for the first time you908don’t see people putting up their hands when I ask909all in favor …

are by law only requires that910people raise their hands if they’re opposed to something so911just at just for clarity and also …

in terms912of what does it mean to give for third reading913an adoption to a by law …

the by laws914are given first and second reading a number of weeks915ago that is the trigger for this evening to be916held …

and then third reading and adoption of the917bylaws essentially a passing the application but just for those918who are curious …

and might wonder what happened to919first and second reading they were the trigger to get920here …

this evening921so without explanation out of the way we move on922to section F.

two of the agenda this is a923development permit with variance application for ten seventeen to ten924twenty three cook street and I will turn to ms925Taylor first …

to outline the project and then to926the applicant and then to the public back to you927thank you for their help the proposal is to utilize928existing floor space within the mixed use building located at929ten twenty one cook street to create two new rental930dwelling units minor exterior changes to the building and a931parking variance are associated with that the proposed change of932use the applicant is willing to enter a housing agreement933to secure the rental of the existing and proposed units934for the life of the building the matters for council’s935consideration are the proposed exterior alterations to the building and936the parking variance thank you thank you very much on937on by the applicant forward to make a presentation for938council and the public939good evening mayor and members of council my name is940Jordan Milne I am the president CEO Jim see projects941…

we are the proud owners of the bell apartments942…

the property is located on the corner of cook943and944your streets just south of fort street …

the bell945…

building as …

noted by …

planning staff is946…

three storey mixed use building is comprised of commercial947space …

and warehouse on the main floor and …948twenty apartments upstairs our company purchased the building in two949thousand eighteen …

many of you may know the building950suffered a substantial fire in …

February of two thousand951seventeen …

which resulted in substantial remediation work …

and952unfortunately that time the displacement of …

the existing residents953…

our company’s goal was to restore the building …954and being a building of its age had a ton955of original character the really excited us and give us956an opportunity to be able to …

reinvigorate the building957make it more safe both from a fire perspective and958a general livability perspective and enhance what was what was959going on the the warehouse space …

is accessible from960your street it has long been under utilized …

and961is no longer compatible or complaint with both of the962zoning and from a life safety perspective963this is a …

context view you email me where964given cook street being a major arterial thoroughfare …

the965context the building so part of our reinvigoration involved substantial966improvements to the exterior including a number of voluntary our967installations that we undertook one of them which you may968have noticed from the beginning you don’t get the best969shot of here is our lady Belmiro we wanted to970do something that represented a progression and civil rights and971human rights and something that was timely to the building972and so we chose to go with …

depiction of973a suffragette …

given the age of the building being974built in nineteen twelve …

and to stylize her in975a manner that also …

plays on the fact that976the name is bell and she also wears a poppy977in honor of a former resident who is um well978known in his day …

who unfortunately …

left his979wife at the bell apartments to fight in World War980one …

and lost his life fighting in World War981one and so …

a bit more history and story982that we’re trying to bring fact …

bring back about983the history of the building there’s also another well known984individual who actually lived in this building when they studied985college in Victoria which is artist …

bill read as986many of you rec may recognize987…

this is view of the actual location itself so988existing …

side by side doors …

and and windows989…

that’s a a side entry door …

you can990tell …

the the paint approach that we took was991really to exemplify the coinage in some of the historic992details of the building993…

is part of the repairs this is written …994thanks thankfully architect Karen wrote this so it’s the third995person …

so …

we undertook a …

substantial upgrade996to the to the building into the units we really997wanted to take a great care wanted to provide a998significant amount of personality to the building we really wanted999people to feel …

that this is a home …1000because what we’re talking about it and and a lot1001of places we talk about units but really what we’re1002talking about is a house …

we’re talking about somewhere1003somebody lives and …

even some of the messaging in1004the building was really important for us to express you1005may not see it but …

is every person this1006is a three story walkup when you leave the building1007through the main entrance we have a saying as you1008leave and it says may all who enter is gas1009leave as friends1010this is the area of work that has been …1011identified and aligned this is an example of the existing1012space …

so it’s a two thousand square foot warehouse1013space …

we’re proposing to residential units that are nine1014hundred and five square feet each in science …

this1015will involve the removal of existing hazardous materials within the1016warehouse space and will actually substantially improve the life safety1017of the building you cannot build a building like this1018today with this many residential units above an industrial warehouse1019space1020and I think it’s important to note in a in1021our application I think …

if anybody’s here who’s not1022aware it appears from our application were asking for a1023substantial parking variance …

in reality this warehouse space requires1024two parking stalls currently it does not have two parking1025stalls we are applying to convert it to to residential1026units which also required to parking stalls so in actual1027fact there is no net increase to the true parking1028demand were simply changing a use that doesn’t have parking1029for it that’s required to have with another use that’s1030much more palatable within this neighborhood and much more needed1031in secured rental housing in the existing warehouse space the1032extent of the variances exacerbated by the fact that we1033actually have to apply for variance for the entirety of1034the building so the first two floors of this building1035were built in nineteen twelve with no parking the third1036floor was added in nineteen forty four with no parking1037and so the variance before you albeit our request is1038for these two units rectify is that existing non conformity1039being that there has never been parking for this building1040either for commercial resident or visitor1041this is an example of the exterior alterations that were1042…

proposing which are to create two new residential entries1043…

at this location …

and to do so in1044a manner that is consistent with the overall aesthetic of1045the character of the heritage of the building we will1046provide new exterior light fixtures that will help with sweet1047identification way finding an overall safety …

on the side1048of the street and as you may or may not1049be familiar …

the recently completed black and white project1050across the street has live work residential units across from1051this on its main floor so from a neighbourhood compatibility1052perspective it does fit in quite well in comparison to1053its existing non conforming use1054…

this is …

…

probably a longer right up1055of what I just shared with you …

but …1056really explains the extent of the fact that were applying1057for variance …

for two stalls were not technically increasing1058the demand as the existing non conforming use exists today1059but it is a requirement in order for us to1060proceed …

the space is zoned residential it’s not even1061zoned warehouse anymore despite having been built that way and1062it made perfect sense for us as we were looking1063at expanding and how we can provide high quality secure1064rental housing within the community how we can take a1065a non conforming and under utilized in really undesired use1066and create a space with …

with the type of1067use that not only the neighborhood would be more compatible1068with but with the city as a whole needs1069so …

as far as that I just like to1070thank you …

on behalf of GMC projects on behalf1071of hello architecture it has taken us a long time1072to get before you …

and we’re really pleased …1073for your consideration in this application we think that this1074will further enhance the neighborhood and we’re excited to hopefully1075in the near future bring forwards …

bring forward our1076plans for the neighboring property …

which will further enhance1077…

the area and also provide more needed rental housing1078thank you very much thank you very much are there1079questions at this point yes councillor Loveday1080so just trying to understand what the 1081do you have an image of what it looks like1082from cook street1083this would be the location outside of the October mentions1084building on the corner of fort and cook1085so is there 1086are there changes on the cook frontage they’re not changes1087on the conventions the changes occur at the rear of1088the building on your street thanks1089thank you any other questions yes councillor Thornton Joe thank1090you I’m as and I guess we have questions because1091I think this is the consent agenda when it was1092like me the whole …

but maybe …

reminder where1093there’s the applicant towards staff …

was there any consideration1094is this building …

heritage buildings of the applicant mention1095the year that I think was built and as the1096error is on a registry errors or any to touch1097on1098since it is not on the registry it is not1099designated it’s not a heritage building I’d like to …1100highlight one interesting thing we wouldn’t have been able to1101do the murals and things that we did if it1102were and so I think one of the things we’ve1103heard from our neighbors and people within the community is1104how much they appreciate how we’ve taken the time to1105carefully detail the exterior bring forward our decisions we have1106a six art installations with in the building as well1107as we have more inside we do I would love1108to have an opportunity to show anybody who’s interested …1109but we wouldn’t been able to do that if we1110were heritage building but we’re we’re not but I think1111the outcome may have actually been been better because of1112that1113okay thank you 1114okay thank you I don’t see any other questions at1115this time so I will …

opened the opportunity for1116public comment now if there are questions that arise will1117will take them at that time so this is an1118opportunity for any members of the public who wish to1119speak on this application to come forward and do so1120…

with the with the land use applications we do1121…

if you feel comfortable request that you would state1122your name and address will name for sure but address1123so we understand how close you live to the subject1124property …

but …

yeah floor is open1125good evening welcome back to 1126I’m gonna come back with another poem for you but1127today it I would like to say that this that1128and the renovations of this building and to has been1129extraordinary we really thought we’re gonna lose the building from1130the area and the the day housing it’s provided just1131been great people are great there …

and I think1132the proposals are extremely in order because that warehouse area1133does have a lot of bad nights1134and so it’ll be nice to see that gone and1135there’s lots of room on main street for the parking1136if that’s what’s being asked for thank you1137thank you very much are there any further speakers 1138good evening welcome hi Ron Hampton …

address ten oh1139nine cook street but I hate I’m here as a1140neighbor to support this as well with the development they’ve1141done a fantastic job on that property it’s it’s a1142tremendous job to Jordan and …

and his team …1143I just want to encourage though …

us city staff1144and mayor and council to to make sure that we1145take into consideration all of the other development permit so1146we have going on in the neighborhood when we are1147looking at parking variances we there are a number in1148the area as you all know parking in the city1149of Victoria not just in this area but it it’s1150…

in in a lot of areas is quite …1151miserable and …

we have some neighboring applications before city1152and …

summer asking for fifteen parking stall variances and1153summer asking for six or seven and …

I don’t1154want to go from miserable to be in a complete1155disaster and so …

I fully support this …

this1156one makes total sense is very fair is very reasonable1157…

but I just want to pass that cost along1158to the city and to Marin council thank you thank1159you very much are there any further speakers1160for a second time and for third and final time1161no further speakers are there any questions no questions …1162Mr Coates the recommendation please1163the first on this application is the consideration of a1164motion to adopt a housing agreement bylaw number twenty dash1165zero zero eight1166he moved by councillor Loveday seconded by councillor Dubow a1167discussion on the housing agreement seeing none all those in1168favor any opposed none opposed that carries next onyx the1169last of the motion to consider approval of the development1170permit with variances thank you moved by councillor Dubow seconded1171by councillor Loveday councillor Dubow would you like to comment1172as the mover1173I I think the the application is straightforward but would1174really1175interested me is the artistic on the piece especially that1176Katie such educational and aspect of it because I’ve been1177thinking a lot I also know the only private properties1178but also in public spaces how could we use on1179our sites in terms to educate or or create you1180shoes and …

by discrimination or racism or or sole1181owner that people who have contributed a lot to the1182community and has a history in this community I think1183that that is a brilliant idea and on is a1184is a really good thing to see an applicant really1185thinking about that and it’s also …

at is a1186not only education of but it reminds me when I1187was in Berlin when you walk around you see a1188lot of our sites because the way that is similar1189to Victoria sometimes you stop on you know pose and1190wonder and engage with the environment around you and and1191that’s what our springs in in the neighborhood1192thank you very much …

counselor Loveday and then councillor1193Thornton Joe yeah I think this is a read the1194…

reasonable proposal that’ll add …

to new homes and1195so I think the with the list the building is1196already built so I think …

parking variance …

makes1197sense because the building’s already there and the parking already1198isn’t so …

think this is very reasonable and do1199you think …

the building …

looks very presentable the1200way it’s been fixed up and it was great to1201hear the explanation of the arts and I do I’ve1202walked by there many times I haven’t seen a plaque1203or anything explaining that but perhaps if there isn’t …1204they could that1205it could be that we can help educate everyone that1206what that beautiful image means1207thank you councillor Thornton Joe thank you I think it’s1208supportable as well and I want to thank the applicant1209and I I think we do have some ability to1210put murals on heritage building although it did to maybe1211our our policy needs to be reviewed again …

I1212know that …

I’ve been to many conferences especially last1213year and took of quite a few pictures of of1214murals on buildings that were extensively on such as this1215one and I have to admit I wasn’t thinking about1216that …

when I came tonight for and when I1217read the report …

last night but I went to1218a business there on Wednesday and where I parked I1219looked right at up at that mural and I remember1220how much it just stood out and and yeah and1221but I didn’t know what the significance was I just1222thought it was a beautiful mural so I agree with1223them …

councillor Loveday that if there could be a1224description …

I think it be great so …

I1225think it’s very supportable and thank you for doing this1226thank you any other comments okay I’ll just make one1227and it’s …

it’s similar to the comment I made1228in the last hearing but a little bit different …1229I don’t and that the last speaker …

who spoke1230won’t like this very much probably but I don’t think1231we should have parking requirements for rental buildings I know1232our staff for looking at rental …

incentives to incentivize1233rental development it’s very bizarre to me that we mandate1234housing for cars I in our city but we don’t1235mandate housing for people …

so hopefully staff will come1236forward soon with some recommendations …

to remove …

parking1237minimums for rental housing and …

and moved towards …1238something more reasonable and fit for the twenty first century1239but that’s not to hear this evening but Tom thought1240I’d say it because it does relevant to this application1241so with that I will call the question all those1242in favor of this application are there any opposed none1243opposed that carries1244the final land use application this evening is for eight1245forty four Johnson street it’s a development permit with variance1246application …

with respect to a fence I’ll turn back1247to ms Taylor and …

she can introduce this one1248to us I thank you hi this is …

development1249permit with variances application for the property located at eight1250four four Johnson street the application for council’s consideration is1251to increase the height of a fence in the side1252yard from one point eight three meters to two point1253eight five meters thank you thank you very much a1254is the applicant here to make a presentation for council1255well 1256good evening welcome good evening …

thanks for having me1257…

I’m here to …

at …1258…

explain the development the S.

sorry that her hips1259application …1260so when we opened this site in August of twenty1261sixteen there was some problems …

in the neighborhood with1262loitering and drug dealing in the immediate1263area the grounds and building 1264so this is a real concern for the neighbors around1265the site the residents …

community the city of Victoria1266as well as local law enforcement and to BC housing1267…

so in partnership with the Victoria police department we1268had a security audit done …

you seen …1269…

crime prevention through environmental design principles and a number1270of recommendations were made …

to make the site more1271safe for residents and the community …

and one of1272the modifications …

recommended was the fence height to be1273a higher1274…

the higher height …

it also included things like1275exterior lighting …

Prue need some shrubs and bushes …1276adding additional CCTV cameras1277so based on that recommendations we made the modifications right1278away to mitigate the concerns that were happening you know1279on site and …

we’re hopeful that there will be1280consideration to allow the fence height to remain …

as1281it is um well it exceeds the at the bylaw1282current bylaw1283thank you very much councillor there any questions at this1284time yes councillor Thornton Joe yes some thank you Mr1285the Albertson’s from she’s from that BC housing for councillors1286that I have not had the up to two meter1287…

thank you for the explanation of the of the1288fence and my understanding is …

the fence was built1289because of the reasons that you’ve stated and because of1290a septet a review which was recommended …

and the1291reason why this is at the table is because …1292there was some other …

what does with being done1293to the building and was brought to the attention that1294the fence was higher than the policy allowed and sold1295them this is why we’re here because you’re trying to1296get it comes not that you want to lower the1297fence but you will want to get and wanted to1298get in compliance …

because …

it was brought to1299our attention that the fence was was was too high1300and needed …

either approval or variance yet common we’re1301we’re here at requesting that variance to the permit to1302I’d be able to keep the height of the fence1303that’s not the application yeah I don’t think that’s the1304application that’s in front of us yeah that was the1305old application1306me and miss Taylor can you clarify please sure so1307the variance is associated with the side yard fence so1308to increase the size your friends from one twenty three1309meters to two point four five pardon me let me1310get that right …

yeah …

at one point eight1311three meters to two point eight five meters but the1312existing fence would be dropped to …

four feet which1313is …

consist with a fence bylaw of sorry that’s1314correct my apologies okay yeah that’s okay thanks for clarifying1315councillor joke and then I will have a question to1316staff okay great are there any other questions at this1317time okay a do need thank you very much I1318do need to ask if there’s anyone from the public1319who wishes to comment on this application now is your1320opportunity to come forward and do so1321good evening welcome yeah thank you …

I’m run Morgan1322room represent a central Baptist church which is our closest1323neighbor to this …

dispensing we support the …

well1324I guess the status quo keep in a fence at1325the high to this …

fryer lesbian bills it was1326just terrible a situation that was happening there because of1327the the drop into the …

stairwells people were getting1328in there and …

I guess is a shooting gallery1329it was a …

fence went up and …

of1330that eliminated that situation quite quickly and they really were1331able to maintain a clean it up are they being1332Johnson street …

on and …

part on housing they1333…

the situation I think we lowered with just encourage1334that …

to …

reoccur and we certainly don’t want1335to see that you have enough difficulties along on Pandora1336and the …

he’s hundred block to him etcetera if1337you all know about that our neighbourhood sola I just1338wanna say that we do support …

leaving a fence1339that …

the height it is if doctors can be1340can be 1341I’m about some thank you very much thank you for1342coming this evening1343is there anyone else who wishes to speak on this1344application1345for a second time 1346and for a third and final time 1347yeah I see no further speakers accounts of certain …1348you have a question for staff is …

the question1349the staff is so my understanding is1350I’m is make sure I got my notes right 1351currently the fence is as seven feet and ten and1352a half inches which is two hundred for me up1353to it for two point four meters1354and because it is considered a front yard it is1355only allowed to be one point two meters which is1356what they’re going to reduce it to which is three1357feet eleven inches of a fence …

but if it1358were considered a backyard which I think anyone that looks1359of that building considers Pandora backyard it would be allowed1360to be one point eight three meters which is six1361feet is that my understanding yes that’s correct so that1362means tomorrow BC housing could come in and build a1363fence on Johnson street at six feet M.

not them1364being compliance that’s correct thank you …

I just wanna1365make sure I understood that because I’ve been very frustrated1366with the front yard backyard …

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and so I1367have comments regarding that I do have several comments but1368those are my questions that I1369thank you are there any other questions okay seeing no1370other questions all close the opportunity for public comment and1371Mr Coates if you could make their1372read the motion for us please and that’s the consideration1373of a motion to approve the development permit with variances1374thank you could we have someone move the recommendation 1375okay I’ll move the recommendation is there a seconder 1376thanks councillor Potts I appreciate that seconded by councillor Potts1377…

discussion yes councillor will I don’t have anything to1378say counterparts as a seconder de of anything councillor Thornton1379Joe go ahead thank you I do have a lot1380to say and I think I I agree with …1381the speaker that came from …

the central Baptist that1382of the fan should be left as it is and1383I and and there’s several reasons one …

a couple1384weeks ago I attended a form that was put on1385by by mayor and I guess councillor1386I was …

but you if there was people out1387the panel and one of them was a officer talking1388about septet and they told the businesses that you should1389come in if you have concerns or sign up for1390September review and from that you can’t …

…

address1391some of the concerns you might have with your property1392well when I read the report of BC housing when1393they took over the property did upset Ted review and1394that was one of the recommendations was the fence at1395that height …

to address as some of the concerns1396are we heard from BC housing that of the just1397right now that the fence was built …

because of1398concerns of of that BC housing had to residents of1399the building that were inside the building …

the and1400the neighbors and they wanted to make the residents more1401safe and this is what not my words but what1402…

BC housing said that they were concerned …

so1403that was why the fence was built and in the1404first place …

we know that okay let them two1405weeks ago I was at …

luncheon where she …1406…

and she rams BC housing shame Ramsey spoke at1407and they spoke about Johnson street committee and said that1408…

you know the the building was bought by BC1409housing …

to address the issue of the tent city1410and that they are working to …

get a better1411balance in that building …

and in the meantime they1412know that there have been some concerns and they’re trying1413to use the house is trying to address those concerns1414I believe that …

the BC housing one of those1415ways to address the concerns wants to build the fence1416and plus they have other initiatives that are coming forward1417…

within the next next few weeks or the next1418few months but mostly my frustration is is that we1419have cost BC housing time on this they have had1420to get it to1421designer to make designs of the fence we have filed1422now they’re going to have to pay to take down1423the fence and then put in a new fence when1424we are saying that our focus should be on housing1425…

I don’t know how many staff hours went to1426…

writing reports and …

and and doing1427L.

having us have this discussion I think this is1428our third discussion on offense that we want to reduce1429by I think two or three feet …

and then1430the fact that …

and I’m not is not the1431staff in the staff is following a policy and my1432frustration is the request and the …

strategic plan is1433that or our work plan has been that we are1434going to address the chance by law and has been1435on the table to be addressed for I think two1436years and it hasn’t quite come yet so what’s gonna1437happen is now next and they twenty twenty we’re gonna1438work on offense by law and it may say that1439of me or may not but I expenses back because1440one of it is addressing greater heights especially for deer1441management may say that the fence can be higher which1442case them BC housing will have to do another …1443report and bring it down …

bring another worker in1444to change the height of the fence when previously I1445ask it’ll be at least delay this on to our1446fans bylaws updated odds so that we could see if1447it needs to be taken down and then my last1448point is the irony that because Pandora is considered the1449front of the building where if anyone has walked into1450that front1451the trees actually high the majority of the fence so1452now they have to reduce the fence to three sort1453of speak up to three feet eleven inches high fence1454on that side where the trees hide and on the1455other side of the building which has cards and people1456walking and has no trees …

they are going to1457be able to build a fence at six feet …1458tomorrow if they wanted so I just think that’s a1459little bit time1460surprising to me so I just think that …

we1461should let them keep the fence so from now do1462this offense by law and …

whether …

the building1463because of the …

the the apartment hotel of working1464with the clientele whether there were supports are brought in1465by the provincial government or the mix …

changes …1466that in the future either the fence can come down1467in its entirety or that …

it complies with it1468because our fence bylaw changes so because of that I1469will not be supporting the motion that’s on the table1470tonight at because I think that …

it doesn’t make1471sense at all because there are all the reasons I1472just stated okay thank you I’m gonna speak and then1473I’ll go to councillor young …

my hope is that1474we can have five votes in favor of this to1475make this madness stop like we’ve been circling around the1476some people don’t like the low fence some people don’t1477like the hive and this is the compromise it’s a1478low and high fence …

so I just hope we1479can get enough votes to get this done because we’re1480wasting time and and as councillor Joe said BC housings1481precious resources they could be probably of built one housing1482unit for the amount of time that’s been spent on1483this fence so I councillor young is next and then1484councillor Isitt1485yeah I 1486I’m sorry but that councillor Thornton Joe has has convinced1487me1488that …

is sometimes it would have been better if1489…1490frankly we had just ignored not an issue I 1491hi even even the last time I was a little1492concerned that the four foot fence might be just exactly1493the wrong height in the sense that it will be1494a height1495that allows people to toss over there 10 their backpack 1496sessions 1497get over it set up shop set up camp ins1498behind the fence and …

that it it and and1499sort of be1500have a little privacy and protection within that …

fenced1501off area it it may be just exactly the wrong1502height1503…

as councillor Thornton-Joe’s points out it’s it really is1504just crazy that1505because of this backyard front yard thing we’ve we’ve got1506this recommendation for tearing down the fence and I agree1507that was effort put into redesigning the new one but1508frankly at the expense of rebuilding it will be considerable1509I would I actually think that …

the best thing1510we could do to would be to have a city1511initiated rezoning to allow the fence that stare to stay1512thank you I councillor Isitt 1513I support the mayor’s up position …

I do a1514and I value the advice of staff …

I think1515there’s an important principle here that …

low income people1516including people managing different issues shouldn’t have to live in1517an armed or not armed is overstating put it in1518a fortress and when this first came to council our1519staff advised us that the original design was fortress lake1520and therefore inconsistent with our design guidelines and this revised1521design is what came back …

I think ideally it1522it’s still over reaches a but in the interest of1523having this approved …

and moving on with other matters1524I will be supporting it …

I think ultimately there1525are …

issues that have to be addressed in terms1526of improving the conditions of housing for the people currently1527living here …

and that that I think will benefit1528both the people living there …

as well as neighbors1529and so I do look forward to working with both1530the operator …

and the province to make that happen1531in the near term1532any further discussion 1533we need a motion for you to speak again do1534you want to1535okay so odd to salts plane are council bylaw allows1536the mover to speak twice and everyone else to speak1537once we accept with the motion of council so I1538need him thanks moved by councillor Loveday seconded by councillor1539Dubow all those in favor any opposed councillor Joe go1540ahead thank you counsel for for allowing me to speak1541and …1542hi I think …

I hear what the mayor helps1543that she just wants to that we should just move1544on and support it but I think the other is1545that we need to either consider moving on and not1546supporting and perhaps if this is not supported …

I’d1547be willing to make a motion that …

at least1548at this this application would be reconsidered …

perhaps after1549the fence by law is is is is completed …1550because I just think that to it could be making1551…

BC housing to the work twice secondly I you1552know I hear what to accounts arises saying but I1553I also feel that …

the protection of the residence1554is also important and and in my understanding ends and1555just got talking to some of the residents are some1556of the …

the staff …

though that was one1557of the reasons why the fence was put up and1558for and I think the safety of residents and their1559belongings are important and just the same as in the1560time that I’ve been on council …1561we have that and locked doors and and things to1562…

passes to get us into certain areas of city1563hall …

talked things have changed and and something now1564that’s just the direction …

city hall is gone and1565…

I have had many members …

the the neighbors1566who have said that they would come and write letters1567and speak …

but I was hoping that …

we1568could find some resolution with without having everyone come and1569express desires …

for for a dance because once again1570this is a fence but I’m hoping that …

what1571I’ve said makes sense I hope that we can defeat1572this motion and then I’ll make a motion that either1573it whether you you feel a rezoning is needed to1574change the front to backyard ordered that we lease …1575put this in abeyance until the fence bylaw …

is1576completed1577thank you very much councillor Loveday 1578question for staff if this was defeated …

that wouldn’t1579make the fence that is currently their legal what it1580through the merits this was defeated no it would not1581make the fence legal other would need to be a1582subsequent variance to allow the two point1583whatever the to pay the higher amount 1584so I I am gonna support this I have concerns1585about the …

increasing amount of protective architecture …

in1586in the downtown core and I understand the desire for1587it I also think that if you displace people from1588one place it will just displace them to somewhere else1589and we need to be treated treating the roots of1590the problems which is a housing and homelessness and mental1591health and addictions and that’s where the focus should be1592and that’s why …

in order to not tie up1593any more of BC housings time or our own and1594so we can all focus on those issues which are1595much more important …

I will be voting in favor1596today thank you I’m gonna call the question all those1597in favor of the bill development permit with variances those1598opposed councillor young and councillor door opposed that carries so1599that takes us through the public …

hearings and we1600move now back to requests to address council and the1601only speaker that we have left to address as is1602Laura Merryweather1603good evening welcome and I guess we need a motion1604Sir I need a motion to approve the speaker and1605the others the other two retroactively moved by councillor Loveday1606seconded by councillor although all those in favor any opposed1607good evening welcome1608hi I think for a minute last minute …

this1609carries on quite nicely from what Brendan was an idea1610right at the end of the …

of his time1611in about needing a solution to the how can vines1612and and and housing is that’s been spoken about loss1613as well I’m1614we’ve kind of brainstormed between us as a community …1615I’m someone that lives in a vehicle myself …

and1616works in the city full time …

as do call1617us and others more transient1618yes as with anyone I’m we’ve kind of 1619come up with a proposal of and a payment system1620which would allow …

at the same1621time frame as those that dwell intense in the park’s1622eccentric …

I’m whether as a not parking bottle in1623like the center of town …

and that would be1624a totally separate thing that wouldn’t allow his park that1625but …

within the rest of the area basically it1626would allow you to talk and sleep in your vehicle1627during those times as the bylaw people come around spoken1628to people that live in the vehicles and said you1629are perfectly fine to sleep in a tent next to1630a vehicle1631and probably by extension on your vehicle 1632but not all in your vehicle what you’ll say for1633…

another point about parking on Dallas wrote …1634people were directed to by blood or offices and so1635people tend to go where they have been told is1636somewhere safe park and congregate the …1637on the now 16389 those tickets 1639ticketing people doesn’t really achieve anything other than creating a1640massive failing from rest …

if we move from one1641place we go somewhere else and then in a year’s1642time the residents of that area will have the same1643grievances and instead with a permit system the revenue generated1644from not would allow for infrastructure to allow1645the the need for 1646recycling and rubbished of disposal and 1647a sanitation dump for those with chemical toilets …

another1648point composting toilets are legal with NBC is there a1649way to find a community1650compost 1651area there’s a community somewhere the head of us got1652the name of the …

is ten1653houses with composting toilets if we could arrange a thing1654where so if you’ve got composting toilet you can take1655the just gets added to the office taking away1656issues the people have instead of moving people to a1657parking lot out of town1658which 1659you’ve got finite in the first place you gonna make1660that safe will tell people to go to the …1661this way can make money on it becomes legal and1662it wouldn’t allow you to park anyway1663like you you know between the daylight hours is still1664Joe Bloggs immune then your vehicle parking wherever you want1665hi Anya whatever and it’s it’s effectively just like1666you wanna sleep safely you pay a monthly fee in1667a hockey up for1668for the 1669travel to the area for the summer months and it’s1670wonderful and in a1671ticket the people that don’t want to partake in it1672but when he1673hang on taxes in the city and 1674wanting to be part of the area paying into it1675and contribute into it and this is potentially awaits my1676OB1677thanks thank you very much for your ideas 1678…

the next section of our agenda is unfinished business1679…

and for the most part these are letters that1680are responses to letters that we have written to people1681…

and the first is a letter from the district1682of sandwich …

regarding their decision with respect to the1683citizens assembly we have this received friend came we’ve received1684as been moved by councillor alto is there a seconder1685seconded by councillor young any discussion …

ms Jenkins we1686just update us on the next steps now that both1687councils or Mr Coates …

whoever’s in charge of this1688both councils have now agreed to the terms of reference1689can you walk us through what happens next between yourselves1690and Senate staff1691through you to members of council …

so with sandwiches1692…

agreement to the terms of reference …

the1693next steps are and council members might recall this from1694…

December decision …

directing staff to work with the1695district’s sense to bring forward …

next steps reports to1696both councils and so …

we’re meeting next week to1697get that process started excellent thank you so much all1698those in favor receiving a letter for information are there1699any opposed none opposed that carries a next is a1700letter from the minister of Canadian heritage move receipts been1701moved by councillor although seconded by councillor Dubow any discussion1702all those in favor any opposed none opposed that carries1703a nexus letter from the minister of public safety and1704emergency preparedness thanks for see it’s been moved by councillor1705also seconded by councillor Dubow any discussion all those in1706favor any opposed none opposed that carries and finally a1707letter from the minister of national defense and receive as1708been moved by councillor also second by councillor Dubow I1709just before we vote on this last one …

you1710people may wonder why are we getting letters from the1711minister of national defense or the minister regency preparedness I1712it’s because when …

Trudeau appointed his cabinet …

I1713wrote letters of congratulations to all the ministers …

congratulating1714them on their posts sending our strategic plan …

and1715asking them to a be engage with us in any1716way that would be …

good for them and good1717for us so they’re just that’s why these are here1718all those in favor any opposed none opposed that carries1719we move on now to reports from committees there are1720three committee of the whole report …

items here for1721us this evening and committees of the committee of the1722whole our meetings that we hold here at city hall1723every Thursday beginning at nine AM and wrapping up when1724they do …

and those are committee meetings where we1725have a robust discussion of many of these issues …1726they’re here tonight for council sober second thought of for1727final consideration so if on some of these …

items1728that seem like pretty needy issues we don’t have a1729robust discussion it’s because a lot of that work has1730been done at committee so this point to in the1731agenda I’m gonna turn it over to Mr Coates to1732walk us through these items committee by committee and item1733at a time over to you1734a first of from January thirtieth a committee of the1735whole is the at twenty nineteen annual progress report for1736the person open spaces master plan that’s …

council approving1737exemption for high profile garden locations from the city wide1738garden bed naturalization program including the north west corner of1739topaz park a portion of the plant as long government1740street and bell street as well as the Senate tough1741in pioneer square thank you moved by councillor Thornton Joe1742is there a seconder thanks seconded by councillor also yes1743councillor Thornton Joe I would like to make an amendment1744of this is the proper time if I want yes1745I’d like to add after Belleville street …1746I wrote down and I’ve camera all the frontage of1747city hall on Pandora1748okay second by councillor although and I’ll just note …1749this amendment was …

made and defeated at committee about1750now that we’re at a new meeting it is properly1751back in order us old allow council sort Joe to1752motivate thank you and and I think it wasn’t necessarily1753…

I didn’t get a seconder and although I only1754got a partial opportunity to discuss it I appreciate that1755yeah councillor alto being here to second so I can1756only speak …

the reason why I would like …1757to Syria and it …

the report when I read1758the report again …

the reasons why they ask for1759the exception of topaz part of the plant as long1760governments stream Belleville as well as a senator from pioneer1761square was so they ask …

because this is option1762for high profile garden locations of from the city wide1763garden bed naturalization program and I feel is …

the1764front of city hall is not considered a high profile1765location in our city that I don’t know what is1766a it is the seat of government for the city1767it is …

I I know for us a counselor1768and I think …

I think councillor Dubow has even1769stated when he goes to other cities as and I1770go to cities I always ask for their city hall1771is because I want to see the building I want1772to see the gardens weather’s do York that has …1773vegetable garden where there was a P.

I.

who had1774a1775water collection on their building the water their garden I’m1776always interested in seeing …

what …

city halls are1777like in this executive summary of the report it talks1778about …

the gardens allows residents and visitors to connect1779with unique ecosystems and the character of the city …1780and one of the characters of our city is that1781where a capital city and as well as so many1782consider us to be known as the city of gardens1783and so I think it makes sense for a city1784hall …

is to have …

a mix of …1785fumbled the natural as a garden as well as ornamental1786…

in the open space master plan …

the lists1787on page three of four criteria and is it says1788protecting the environment celebrating Victoria fostering …

engaging experiences for1789everyone and strengthening partnerships so I I do believe that1790the garden that we have now does not protect the1791environment and and …

by naturalized ing at the garden1792I believe by adding ornamentals we give us an opportunity1793to celebrate …

Victoria’s a capital city …

when it1794comes to fostering …

engaging experience for everyone I know1795…

for myself I think sometimes flowers can dropping back1796of memory …

and …

folk emotion or beauty …1797and …

wherever I go often I will stop and1798take a picture because a certain high disk is will1799remind me of my mother or a certain whatever flower1800might remind me of a relative but it also says1801strengthening partnerships and I’ve learned a lot about street the1802partnerships especially on being on the capital city organization1803…

and I did get a chance some really comment1804as much of the last time it was at council1805when I …

tried to bring this on the table1806but to council members might know that …

for many1807years we’ve had a deeper …

bond …

with the1808written with the Netherlands …

and upkeep on came in1809nineteen forty after the role families excel following following the1810bombing of Rotterdam and then nineteen forty three queen Juliana1811so third child was born in Ottawa …

and because1812they wanted to the child to be born not in1813Canada …

but in the Netherlands for that one day1814Canada became Netherlands so that the child had never had1815and citizenship …

for that country and is the first1816time ever that are from foreign flag is flown …1817in Canada …

in the Canada a Canadian capital and1818then in nineteen forty five Canada Canadian troops assistant …1819…

with the US Polish French forces1820…

by …

liberating the Netherlands and because they help1821liberate another lands of after the German surrender at Dutch1822citizens broke thank you Canada on the rooftops so because1823of that in nineteen forty five princes Juliana …

presented1824one hundred thousand troops to thank Canada and …

every1825year since nineteen fifty three the Netherlands have given a1826gift of twenty thousand balls out to all the wall1827now as part of the capital city organizations of the1828mini every couple years they create a ball just to1829celebrate their relationship with Canada so one hundred fiftieth anniversary1830they created …

Canada …

red and white to look1831and last year they created the liberation tulip because of1832our guidelines we cannot plant those tulips in front of1833city hall and I feel that …

by make an1834amendment to add both naturalize and ornamental we would be1835able to do that secondly we have four sister cities1836and it would be great if we could have flowers1837from our sister cities …

in front so when visiting1838dignitaries from our sister cities come to city hall they1839might see flowers that to remind them of home so1840you know we talk about being a welcoming city and1841so what waits and one of the ways to feel1842welcomed and have the sense of home is …

through1843flowers so I’m hoping that I’m not asking for to1844all be ornamental I just want the staff in there1845…

wisdom …

just like at topaz and Beacon Hill1846and are hanging baskets and in front of government street1847and …

the set a tough to be able to1848…

make that consideration would bother doing the great work1849that they do thank you thank you councillor alto as1850a seconder and then I’ll go to councillor Isitt well1851it’s hard to follow that he pretty much did everything1852…

I’ll just give me a couple of brief comments1853…

I do support this and I I support it1854because it I don’t first of all the simple thing1855is not a very big space1856but I think just a couple things that …

are1857notable it is that sense and and and some of1858you know I’m the current chair they Kading capital city’s1859organization it is a sense of being able to try1860and tie in that reality with a couple of other1861issues and …

you the for the the city hall1862aspect as councillor Thornton Joe mentioned it is true that1863I’m sure like many of you when I when I1864travel I always make a point of going to city1865hall some trying to see what they do there and1866what we can learn from from that experience much of1867that is …

up of planting and …

a lot1868of it is a vote indigenous planting but also about1869other types of plantings as well1870I think that’s a really important aspect we don’t do1871it actually …

recently …

I was in all of1872our actually at the …

annual board meeting of the1873capital city’s organization and our hosts there were the national1874capital commission …

they offered a host that meeting each1875year they pay for much of it and part of1876our experience there is to see what the national capital1877commission does for its own city of course it’s a1878much more massive program …

because they have a lot1879more money they have a a lot more area that1880they control if they manage about one of the things1881that was particularly striking was the opportunity we had to1882go and see auto us city hall and for those1883if you’ve been there you don’t know that there are1884a number of parks immediately around the area but they1885do have a portion of the green space around on1886a was city hall that is intended to be local1887foliage but they’re also some opportunities for them to make1888special plantings particularly noting a special relationships as councillor Thornton1889Joe was mentioned and and particularly with another ones1890and so I think there is some …

argument to1891be made that there could be a place a small1892place where at that particular a recognition …

could be1893had in the and …

natural environment …

and …1894certainly I think the …

I took the time actually1895…

to look up some of the …

it potentially1896a local indigenous plantings of our twin cities and actually1897each of the four of them I have a particular1898types of plantings that would thrive quite nicely here and1899I think could be quite an interesting …

small area1900of that …

frontage just outside of city hall on1901the Pandora side …

which could be something tangible that1902we could certainly a show when our …

twin city1903colleagues visit us and certainly we can highlight that as1904one thing I just I close by saying that …1905and the the Dutch balls that were created this year1906for the seventy fifth anniversary I don’t believe we ordered1907any as the city is fiber call correctly however I1908have about three dozen of the men would be a1909neat the within the city and that was something of1910that would be wanted I haven’t planted them yet which1911is probably my error …

but I I think I1912I am totally in support of all the reasons that1913we went to indigenous plantings from an environmental perspective from1914a historical perspective from a respect perspective from from the1915land on which we all set I do think though1916that there are very good reasons for us to choose1917some select areas where …

for different reasons we could1918plant a different plants on the ones that are there1919that’s been approved that makes sense to me …

adding1920this one also makes sense to me and I’m sorry1921to take up so much time I was next I1922was actually in auto well when this was discussed and1923did have a chance to comment so I’m hoping to1924that …

like councillor Thornton Joe that …

a couple1925of folks would be willing to let us pass this1926direction on to staff for them to do in a1927judicious matter thanks thank you ever accounts are as and1928then myself1929we should tell the comments from my colleagues …

but1930I don’t support this I think our staff have done1931an excellent job a transitioning this particular garden bed to1932native plants …

my comments of our last meeting how1933when the slough came into bloom …

in July it1934was amazing to see beautiful a garden of beautiful indigenous1935plants in front of city hall and I can’t think1936of a more appropriate …

garden to adorn …

the1937the center of the city that some bracing reconciliation and1938decolonization I think there are a number of …

Erie1939is around the city in the region that honor …1940the connection to the Netherlands …

but I personally think1941in terms of highlighting what …

values speak to this1942community I think for the next few years at least1943putting a strong emphasis on …

native plants on drought1944resistant species aligns directly with this council’s commitments to climate1945leadership as well as de colonization so …

I hope1946…

if council supports the direction from committee and doesn’t1947support this amendment1948thank you yeah I’m not gonna support amendment either and1949I think it’s actually ironically maybe based on something that1950councillor Thornton Joe said to …

that way in New1951York there’s a vegetable garden I I miss the other1952city …

if there’s a special water collection that kind1953of feature amazing things that are happening I in their1954cities on the front steps of their city hall and1955I said this a committee I think what’s missing is1956and non native plants I think what’s missing is a1957sign explaining what’s going on here and why we’re doing1958it I think …

hopefully after this passes our parks1959staff can take I guess it’s informal direction about the1960sign but I think staff feel a bit of a1961quite a bit of pride in the work that they’ve1962done and to put something up that explains what why1963why are these native species here what is what are1964we …

adapting to what’s the story of the land1965what’s the story of the future …

so I don’t1966think that we need to rip out the native plants1967that have been put there and make room for for1968annual then I I I do think that the motion1969that’s before us is a compromise we did amend it1970…

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government street Belleville or as1971I can I can’t remember sure there was a an1972amendment to the first part but I feel like we’re1973striking a compromise and if the signal that I want1974to send right outside of our city hall is that1975…

we’re looking to the future we’re taking the climate1976crisis seriously our honoring the hard work of …

the1977staff were honoring the the …

the indigenous plants and1978indigenous peoples …

but what I what I think is1979missing as I said is …

the story about that1980and so I think having that story outside of city1981hall will help to explain why these beds look the1982way that they do so I don’t support the amendment1983and hope we can pass this and get a sign1984up explaining what’s going on there1985okay I’ll come to you in a second does anyone1986else wish to speak before go back to the mover1987yes councillor Loveday and then counselor do you have the1988final word as the mover councillor Loveday yeah I …1989don’t support the amendment I think I I appreciate all1990the comments and counselor Thornton Joe and I live I1991think that there is potential for those types of …1992symbolic …1993displays that would 1994it be valuable both for the relationships rebuilding and to1995honor the history and I think the same goes if1996there’s a little plaque or something that people know that’s1997why the we have these beautiful tulips in this in1998this specific place …

but I I agree with a1999couple my colleagues who have just spoken looking at the2000this specific place outside city hall I really this year2001I was actually really struck by the by the …2002in need of plantings that were there and set the2003disallow and and I thought it was beautiful and I2004thought you felt meaningful and …

I don’t wanna go2005back on that now2006any other speakers before I go back to the mover2007to close okay councillor Thornton Joe over to you on2008I’m going zero for two tonight’s event …

I’m2009my I guess sent a two comments was that I2010totally support what I would and I think when2011the mayor and I were out for a walk and2012I looked at the front I did say that I2013wanted …

descriptions of the the plants are there now2014so people can understand …

a little bit more about2015why they were chosen …

and I thought that having2016a mix is it’s almost like …

for me …2017seeing the world as the world like just in all2018together and saying these plants were there for this reason2019and those plans are for this reason …

and it’s2020all coming together …

but …

I you know I2021don’t know whether I’ll be able to get a majority2022counsel but I guess my question to then …

Mr2023Mr CA …

and and whether council which would support2024this is that if if the it because of the2025prominence and and once again I’m and disappointed because I2026think some of the comments they’re the way the report2027was written …

talks about welcoming and …

partnerships and2028relationships and so …

I think it by not allowing2029that actually goes against some of the things the four2030points of what you consider when planting …

but if2031if council will not support putting it in front of2032city hall with2033with with the four points that you say is is2034is importance …

for the master plan would be something2035that you could possible I guess I would be to2036list Mr CA but with council support than a small2037piece in centennial square one of the gardens there to2038allow that2039I think that’s a question that I wouldn’t be is2040a twist at the end it will start with Mr2041Soulliere but I think that would be a motion for2042council Eric consideration for council yeah through mayor helps I2043I was thinking the same …

will plant whatever you2044like whatever you like …

at this point …

you2045know we’ve we responded to end them2046yeah we will do whatever council desires on that front 2047so councillor do if this motion is defeated if this2048of Evans if you did let’s try something and because2049of everything I’ve said I still think it is a2050more appropriate or appropriate …

to put in the front2051…

and I hope that that’s2052all right on the amendment all those in favor 2053those opposed to oppose our councillor young pots …

Loveday2054helps eyes it’s and Dubow so that amendment fails …2055councillor Joe still has the floor2056of the I would like to move that to an2057accept the Simpson for high profile garden location tions out2058to I guess not I guess when I just make2059only motion the whole the motion is that no I2060think you just instead of after Belleville street you would2061at and centennial square row stores just amendment that was2062that’s right yeah that …

and in the flower bed2063instantaneous square okay just say and centennial square with flower2064beds kind of okay isn’t to score yeah okay is2065there a seconder seconded by councillor old okay if you2066want to say I’m not2067right now I’m happy for a compromise okay anyone else2068cancer as an2069I’m not sure how filling centennial square with the non2070native species is a compromise …

I guess a sense2071council wants to move on but …2072and I don’t know if council by like committee 2073choosing the selection of planters 2074I don’t doesn’t set that well 2075yeah we’ve already made a number of exemptions to this2076so2077not sure I don’t think I’m going to support this2078I think it’s been a very successful program the transition2079to native plants I think it’s unique …

and …2080I generally want to continue in that direction …

and2081I think it’s a signal of breaking with colonial traditions2082to be honest …2083is to let me be carving out a narrow exemption2084for tulips because of the liberation of the Netherlands is2085supportable but I think generally the policy direction council established2086in the strategic plan is the right way to go2087and I think incrementally I think eating away at that2088policy direction through exemptions is not the way to go2089so for that reason I won’t be supporting this okay2090thanks I’m gonna make an amendment to the amendment and2091I I really don’t like when people Tinker with language2092but I just …

I and I am gonna support2093this understanding that it’s a portion of the planters in2094centennial square …

and so that the amendment to the2095amendment should just read it it should say government street2096call ma Belleville street and centennial square is there a2097seconder so it would read then …

these images in2098a portion of the planters along government streets Belleville street2099and centennial square as well as the Senate happen pine2100your square because I think this is the amendment I’m2101remembering from committee and I don’t remember who made it2102doesn’t matter it’s now motion of council that we that2103we wanted to have and I think this came from2104our staff a mix of natural …

a native and2105non native and so I’m happy to have that same2106compromise and centennial square recognizing that a portion of the2107planters out there and maybe there’s into planting I don’t2108know I’m not a gardener like real food but not2109flowers anyway …

maybe there’s an inter planting that could2110happen but I I I think that if we can2111strike the same balance that the motion says …

portion2112of centennial square would be flowers a portion would be2113…

native species and I’m I’m okay to support this2114as a compromise but it can we just vote on2115the log the language now the amendment to the amendment2116language is essentially the same thing with better grammar all2117those in favor any opposed okay on the amendment …2118any other discussion yes I councillor Loveday2119yeah I am I I think I can support this2120I2121…

but what I’m really interested in is I think2122the the policy of naturalization is the right one …2123but I think that there needs to be …

an2124opening for the types of circumstances that councillor Thornton Joe2125mentions …

when there is a ceremonial or a or2126symbolic function …

in in I want that to be2127open for staff’s interpretation I don’t need to say where2128that is I I don’t so I will2129I don’t feel the need to make another amendment …2130discus doesn’t feel helpful …

but that and that’s why2131I feel like I I want to support this is2132to use the signal that which actually isn’t in the2133motion but it was in all of the motivation for2134the motion and …

I’ll just leave it at that2135and Nova trust our staff to …2136do as they have always done with keeping our city2137beautiful okay are on the amendment to all those in2138films or yes councillor alto yeah sorry I really appreciate2139the direction this is gone this certainly and everything that2140was said earlier today and I was super should have2141a chance to speak to it I wasn’t here when2142it came up yeah this is just talking about a2143little piece right it’s this is not talking hot2144I’ve 2145inundating centennial square there’s no doubt at all that the2146direction we’re going in our policies correct but I think2147that there needs to be an adaptability to say in2148a small area of specific notable places yeah when there2149is an opportunity to celebrate something to remember something to2150honor relationship staff have the ability to consider that and2151do as they think best and that’s the for me2152that’s all the sense so I will be supporting them2153thank you I’m gonna call the question on the amendment2154all those in favor of the amendment any opposed none2155oppose our councillor Isitt as opposed so that carries any2156further discussion on the matter2157it all yet thank you for the amendment …

and2158I think in all ultimately I just want to staff2159to have some ability or discretion to see if there2160are opportunities to be able to do both I’m not2161saying that I should be one or the other …2162just that we’re that staff have that ability to say2163this is a good opportunity and I’d like to do2164this but because policy says no way that they can2165even consider it so thank you for considering okay thank2166you very much all those in favor of the recommendation2167are there any opposed none opposed that carries yeah I2168feel like I eat I eat my words a little2169bit saying that somehow we had all our robust discussion2170at committee and there won’t be any to what but2171this is why we have sober second thought and room2172for amendments so and so forth I’m Mr because I’m2173gonna turn it back to you2174get a next is the regarding the endorsement of a2175universal school food program for BC2176thanks moved by councillor Loveday seconded by councillor eyes it2177any discussion all those in favor any opposed none opposed2178that carries okay we move on to the report from2179the February sixth twenty twenty …

committee meeting Mr Coates2180our first …

enemy to from that meeting at three2181thirty four dollars for a rezoning application and development permit2182with variances and that strictly staff to prepare the necessary2183bylaws and schedule hearing2184thank you would someone like to move the recommendation 2185thanks moved by councillor alto is there a seconder thanks2186seconded by councillor Thornton Joe any discussion all those in2187favor any opposed councillor young and councillor Loveday and counselor2188…

eyes that are opposed that carries …

next Mr2189Coates next through an update report for the rezoning application2190for …

Broad Street Johnson street in parts of you2191eight street and so that’s a concern that room revised2192motion to direct staff to prepare the necessary Biles and2193schedule hearings for that application thank you I’ll move the2194recommendation is there a seconder2195second by councillor young thank you any discussion all those2196in favor any opposed opposed our counselor Loveday and counselor2197eyes it and councillor Dubow so that carries a next2198Mr Coates onyx’s occurring ten forty must street that’s the2199art gallery in an application for development permit in that2200said considering the issuance of that permit thank you moved2201by councillor Loveday seconded by councillor alto any discussion all2202those in favor …

sorry discussion no okay2203all those 2204okay all those in favor any opposed none opposed that2205carries …

your so are you your post I forgot2206I apologize chill for young as opposed noted2207it’s been noted okay …

next item Mr Coates annexes2208approving a ninety thousand dollars in financial support for hosting2209the twenty twenty fifth Olympic qualifying tournament at save on2210foods memorial centre a to be funded through the twenty2211twenty contingency budget2212okay moved by councillor Loveday seconded by councillor Dubow any2213discussion all those in favor any opposed none opposed that2214carries okay we move on to our committee of the2215whole meeting from earlier today …

Mr Coates the sun2216is a …

approving an application in project for a2217ministry of mental health and addictions overdose and emergency response2218community action initiative and direction the mayor and authorizing the2219mayor and city clerk troth executing a contribution agreement if2220the application is successful thank you moved by councillor Potts2221is there a seconder seconded by councillor although any discussion2222all those in favor any opposed none opposed that carries2223next on access authorization for a grant application …

for2224seven and a half million dollars in …

funding for2225Sir researcher projects and …

also …

authorizing …

execution2226of the agreement at the application is successful thanks some2227of the recommendations are seconder second accounts although this was2228on our consent agenda this morning so I just wanted2229to say thanks to staff for proactively identifying these opportunities2230and bringing them forward for a for consideration and hopefully2231auto well we’ll see this favorably2232any further discussion 2233all those in favor any opposed none opposed that carries2234a next on externally argan point master plan …

approving2235an extension to the memorandum of understanding to December thirty2236one twenty twenty five2237okay thank you …

all move the recommendation is there2238a seconder seconded by councillor alto any discussion wanna thank2239a committee for the thoughtful discussion of the …

council2240now for the thoughtful discussion of this …2241ocean earlier today at committee and I think we made2242it better …

together so call the question all those2243in favor any opposed none opposed that carries2244next onyx’s ring development costs charges not subjecting staff to2245bring forward an amendment to the development because church biologists2246devilish a consumer price index based two and a half2247percent increase to the city’s development costs are just2248thanks moved by councillor auto seconded by councillor Potts is2249there any discussion all those in favor any opposed none2250opposed that carries next on nexus …

regarding the capital2251regional district land baking and housing services talismans amendment bylaw2252as well as a loan authorization bylaw for the same2253service and that’s the council consenting to the adoption of2254both of those security by Los okay moved by counter2255as it is there a seconder seconded by councillor Loveday2256…

all those in favor any opposed none opposed that2257carries next a next is …

authorizing …

city clerk2258to …

file a notice on title pursuant to section2259fifty seven of the community charter for work for a2260permit eleven sixty two eleven sixty four kings road2261thank you moved by councillor Loveday is there a seconder2262thanks seconded by councillor Potts any discussion seeing none all2263those in favor any opposed none opposed that carries we2264move on to bylaws I mentioned earlier in the meeting2265where first and second reading of bylaws happen …

that2266is now also that these by laws that are given2267first and second reading this evening our our the trigger2268for a public hearing to be held and at future2269meetings we will have an opportunity for public comment on2270these bylaws before they’re adopted …

Mr Coates a first2271this item K.

one of the bylaw for water front2272set back regulations and it’s …

consideration of first and2273second readings to zoning amendment bylaw number twenty dash zero2274zero two thank you moved by councillor Isitt seconded by2275councillor Loveday is there any discussion2276all those in favor any opposed none opposed that carries2277next item K.

two is …

bylaws for five fourteen2278five eighteen Suma street rezoning application and that’s for a2279…

three story townhouse development a first of its consideration2280of first and second readings for zoning amendment by one2281number twenty two zero two six thank in can we2282have someone move the bylaw thanks moved by councillor alto2283seconded by councillor Potts any discussion all those in favor2284any opposed none opposed that carries a next a next2285on this is the consideration of for second and third2286readings for the housing agreement bylaw number twenty dash zero2287two seven thank you moved by councillor alto is there2288a seconder2289second by councillor Potts thank you any discussion all those2290in favor any opposed none opposed that carries2291the next item K.

three …

bylaw for thirteen oh2292nine and thirteen fifteen cook street eleven hundred eleven twenty2293eight street and eleven on nine eleven fifteen Johnson street2294that’s a rezoning application and development permit with variances …2295first up is consideration of first and second readings for2296zoning amendment by one number twenty dash zero one five2297as well as official community plan amendment by one number2298twenty dash zero one six of the recommendations of the2299vials is there a seconder seconded by councillor alto …2300of course will wait to the public hearing to make2301our final determination I just wanted to note because it’s2302the first time that we’ve had one of these …2303it’s a proposed child care are written into the zone2304in a multi unit residential buildings so this is something2305we’ve been wanting for a long time and this is2306the first one that’s before us so I thought it2307would just be worth mentioning that …

any further discussion2308all those in favor any opposed councillor Dubow as opposed2309that carries a next a next with this one is2310the consideration for second and third readings for the housing2311agreement bylaw number twenty dash zero one seven thank you2312moved by councillor Potts seconded by councillor alto any discussion2313all those in favor any opposed none opposed that carries2314and next a loss on this one and as noted2315in the staff report that a company’s …

this item2316on the agenda tonight …

there’s consideration of a revised2317development permit with variances motion so …

approval that for2318council to consider thank you can we have that moved2319thanks moved by councillor alto is there a seconder second2320by councillor young thank you any discussion all those in2321favor any opposed none opposed that carries your post okay2322count okay councillor Dubow and councillor Loveday are opposed okay2323thank you I next the next item K.

for a2324seventeen week coronation Avenue rezoning and development permit with variances2325application of first as consideration of adoption of the zoning2326amendment by one number nineteen dash zero eight four2327thank you for the construction of a duplex could I2328have mover thanks moved by councillor Loveday seconded by councillor2329I was I just felt like it …

an auctioneer2330there for a moment for for the construction of a2331duplex can I have a mover …

sorry all those2332in favor any opposed it’s not even not late2333next 2334and next less than this one is the consideration of2335approval of the development permit with variances thank you could2336we have someone move the development permit with variances moved2337by councillor alto is there a seconder seconded by councillor2338Loveday and all those in favor any opposed none opposed2339that carries2340all right final bylaw Mr Coates Adam K.

five …2341that’s parks and recreation fees consideration of first second and2342third readings for recreation fees amendment pilot number twenty two2343zero two eight2344thank you can we have the recommendation moved 2345thanks moved by councillor Loveday is there a seconder thank2346you seconded by councillor young any discussion all those in2347favor any opposed none opposed that carries that brings us2348to uh the corresponded section of our agenda yes councillor2349Dubow2350I just have a question and the bylaws come close2351to one by little or what could be procedure …2352which by law would you like to cook and your2353thoughts and Johnson2354you want me to recall I yes okay …

which2355part the housing agreement or the development permit or first2356and second reading the first reading okay a sure2357you you mention about childcare yeah hold on one second2358so what I’m gonna do is recall first and second2359readings of the zoning regulation bylaw amendment bylaw numbered twenty2360dash zero one five and …

official community plan amendment2361by law that number twenty dash zero one six so2362those are now properly back on the table …

would2363you like me to repeat what I said yes yes2364so …

one of the things that the applicant is2365proposing …

as part of the zoning regulation bylaw and2366stuff can correct me if I’m if I’m wrong is2367…

the provision of childcare …

child care spaces that2368would be provided I in them in the building …2369as I guess it’s as an amenity …

multi unit2370residential building with child care so that’s and that’s where2371I want to change my vote okay no problem so2372I’ll call the question and again all those in favor2373first and second reading of those two bylaws any opposed2374okay none opposed thank you thanks for …

for requesting2375that2376I sometimes we whip through these pretty quickly yeah okay2377so we’re back at the correspondence …

we have a2378letter of the town from the town of view royal2379and again the reason that this is here and not2380in the earlier section is because this is a letter2381that is just come to us from them …

without2382any at a letter from us to them and we2383need this though also to be received for information thanks2384moved by councillor Loveday seconded by councillor alto any discussion2385all those in favor any opposed none opposed that carries2386are we have no new business this evening …

so2387now it’s question period …

this is an opportunity if2388anyone here wishes to ask us a question2389okay seeing none the next thing we need is a2390motion to adjourn the meeting2391thanks moved by councillor also seconded by councillor Thornton Joe2392all those in favor any opposed none opposed that carries2393the