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the city website12the city of London is committed to making every effort13to provide alternate formats and communication supports for council standing14or advisory committee meetings and information upon request to make15a request for any city service please contact accessibility at16London dot CA or five one nine six six one17two four eight nine extension two four to five colleagues18will look for any disclosures peer beginner interest please19councillor Turner thank you with respect to item eight point20five or seventeenth reported strategic priorities and policy committee …21the …

budget print public participation meeting all disclose that22any interests to succeed with one and public libraries my23spouse’s employer Clement public library as well for number eight24point six number eighteenth report of the strategic priorities and25policy committee number fifteen or four point one zero which26us with respect one public library board of directors vacancy27…

reiterate the same conflict28thank you very much any other disclosures 29I see none 30colleagues we have a couple of recognition is that we31would like to deal with32and firstly if I might 33it’s my honor 34it’s my honor on behalf council …

to introduce uh35and to award the London diversity race relations and inclusivity36recognition awards37today a to colleagues and friends we’re celebrating this year’s38recipients of the London diversity race relations and inclusive reward39we recognize each group’s unique contribution in promoting public awareness40of diversity anti racism inclusivity inclusivity and human rights here41in London42the universal declaration of human rights was adopted on December43ten nineteen forty eight the date has since served mark44human rights day worldwide45the city of London diversity race relations and inclusivity wards46are scheduled always on the council meeting closest to December47tenth48George began twenty years ago to recognize achievements to promote49public awareness and encourage ongoing initiatives relating to diversity race50relations inclusivity and human rights and to promote London as51a welcoming city it recognizes those who help make London52safer place for everyone it reminds us that we are53the one school district in the community within54our city 55I’d like to come to acknowledge all nine of this56year’s nominees and now let me congratulate the exceptional twenty57twenty one recipients of the London diversity race relations58and inclusive inclusivity ward of which we are knowledge changed59to recipients60in the category of social community services not for profit61with fewer than fifty members the award recipient is rights62and responsibilities awareness initiative this award acknowledges all that you63do that our city providing legal financial and cultural awareness64programs to the London and Middlesex community including to newcomers65and refugees file online sessions so far the R.

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has presented twenty two information sessions are very67important legal social and financial topics it is interesting that68are are a I was established during the application of69a proposal created as a response to the neighbourhood decision70making initiative here in our city of London so Bravo71to them accepting the award on behalf of rights and72responsibilities workers and workers initiative is Dr Hatem I will73Karki congratulations and I’d like to Dr Albuquerque just a74few words please75sure 76here the city of London for a nice day okay77we are doing that with individuals helping them to be78a better citizens and better to get it year numbers79which will address next to this and great community and80and prove that this great country could be a better81place for everyone I am so honored and I am82so grateful to be here thank you your worship83well thank you doubt don’t travel Karki and …

this84reach the plaque that …

you will be receiving on85behalf86of the city of London the two missile council on87the recommendation of the corporation of the city in London’s88diversity inclusion and anti oppression vice re committee89that’s right some responsibilities awareness initiative with the twenty twenty90one diversity race relations and inclusivity award social community services91category …

with less than fifty members in recognition of92your initiative providing legal financial and cultural awareness programs to93the London Middlesex community including to newcomers and refugees via94online sections into them we offer our deepest and sincerest95graduations graduations to them96calling since the my privilege 97in the category of social community services not for profit98larger than fifty members the award recipient is nest the99network for economic and social trends western university this award100is in recognition of your partnership work in and with101the community to mobilize research education awareness and outreach for102positive policy impacting social change for your community university partnerships103to mobilize research education awareness for equity diversity inclusion and104decolonization nest is a leader in bridging the university community105applied and worked with London and surrounding community on issues106regarding racism and discrimination and provides an evidence base for107you did work in the community this work involves next108faculty plus postdoctoral fellows and graduate students together with community109partners110yes partnerships elevate the key messages of the university research111education and awareness and outreach by taking aim at positive112policy impact and social change113certainly an ongoing goals to further develop expertise among community114partners115accepting the award on behalf of the network for economic116and social trends western university’s Dr Vicki **** and I’d117say god to Dr assist graduations and we invite you118to say a few words please119thank you very much for recognizing the work of the120network for economic and social trends known as mast at121western university now this is gonna existence for close to122four years and it’s the flagship research and policy alliance123in the faculty of social science …

as mentioned we124provide an evidence base for work on diversity inclusion anti125racism and human rights with partners in London throughout southwestern126Ontario and across Canada for example we recently partnered with127the London Middlesex local immigration partnership and seven other local128immigration partnerships across southwestern Ontario to conduct surveys of local129experiences of discrimination by immigrants racialized individuals and indigenous peoples130and our goal was to develop a deeper understanding of131the impact of discrimination in our region and how to132counteract it133based on this work and major projects on the horizon134engaging more than twenty partners across southwestern Ontario which is135equity in action focusing on counteracting racism and discrimination in136London and throughout the region this award motivates us as137we continue with our many partners to fight racism and138discrimination where we live and where we work thank you139well thank you very much progresses so Lisa judgment please140help me congratulate that’s the network for economic and social141trends western university without in receipt of the twenty twenty142one diversity race relations and inclusivity ward social community services143category fifty plus members congratulations progresses into your144I will make sure colleagues at those up plans go145to appropriately …

to these organizations …

these outstanding organizations146with the city so colleagues we have to read additional147recognitions we would like to acknowledge the first if I148might as I I will call on doc I’m councillor149who please150over the weekend we had not one but two London151football teams competing for national championships the London the theaters152press often in Ontario football conference championship hosted the Langley153rams at western alumni stadium located word sex and the154Canadian junior football league final well the beef eaters came155up short they remain OFC champions and represented London with156honor and the first ever Canadian bowl appearance and we157know that they’ll be back on that same day just158one hour later the western Mustangs went head to head159against the Scots one in the being a cop posted160in the beautiful Quebec City161the Mustangs overcame a halftime deficit delivering a clutch performance162on route to a twenty seven to twenty one when163capturing their first national championship since twenty seventeen and their164eighth all time and it definitely won’t be their last165on behalf of council in all words six constituents I’d166like to recognize this remarkable achievement well extending congratulations to167all Mustang players coaches and staff thank you168thank you councillor move colleagues said 169I’d like to take a moment now to recognize our170first responders and our London health sciences centre pediatric emergency171department172as you all know twenty twenty one has been a173particularly difficult here and we appreciate all that they do174providing specialized pediatric care for babies children and teens up175to eighteen years of age twenty four hours a day176seven days a week177is an incredible commitment 178the pediatric emergency workers for approximately thirty six thousand children179per year and serves as the regional pediatric trauma center180in addition to doctors and nurses your team of social181workers and child life space specialist truly make a difference182in a child’s emergency and so to the LHIN how183sciences center pediatric emergency department would like to thank you184for your carried and for your compassion185we say about falls and lands he council thanks for186what you do187it was actually exactly one week ago last Tuesday night188on November thirtieth ten people were struck189by vehicle on Riverside Drive near Wonderland road 190tragically an 8 year old girl Alexander staff was killed 191as a result of that horrible crash 192described by your parents is a brilliant five nations little193girl with the terrific sense of humor194a talented artist to love your older brother with all195of our196Alexander’s losses played heavily on the hearts and minds of197her family and all letters198we seen such an outpouring of support for the stamp199family both emotionally and financially along the solemn tributes over200the weekend as countless homes municipal another prominent buildings throughout201our city were let up to grow guide blue202police a lot like asking understand pause for a moment203of silence in honor of Alexander her family and also204all of those of those who continue205to recover from their injuries would you pause with a206place207thank you very much 208we’re calling I’m not 209I’m not aware of any confidential matters to be considered210public but I am going to ask for change in211order to move …

item four the council closed session212tend to report of council closed session after stage thirteen213bylaws something we typically do do I have a mover214place215I see because remember good second by councillor hillier thank216you very much this call the question217all 218councillor van Holst 219okay 220closing the vote the motion passed 221thank you very much 222and colleagues sub other promotion approve the minutes from the223meeting held on November sixth twenty twenty one there on224the floor look for mover please moved by councillor five225Miller seconded by councillor Hopkins thank you …

comments or226questions227this call the 228closing the vote the motion passed 15 229thank you very much 230cations and petitions six point one dealing with encouraging the231growth of food urban areas six point to deal with232ninety nine Southdale road west six point three dealing with233fourteen fifty three fourteen fifty nine Oxford Street east at234six forty eight six fifty six would revenue six point235four which is to sidewalks and established neighbourhoods six point236five the government’s working group membership five six point six237the city of London procurement process assessment review what I’d238be looking for is a motion refer those items …239to the appropriate …

committees where they’d be considered councillor240van Holst second the councillors any comments or questions241I see numbers call the question please 242right yeah 243it won’t it wouldn’t let me submit 244councillor Cassidy preps …

if you could give us a245verbal all do the same yes246yes 247thank you through the chair all the votes have come248in closing the vote the motion carries fifteen to zero249just councillor Cassidy me with the verbals thank you very250much colleagues there are no lotus it motions to which251notice is being given I can been given so I252wonder if we could turn our attention now colleagues to253our various reports254and the first is the seventeen report a plane Verma255committee may turn this over to councillor Hopkins please256…

thank you your worship I would like to bring257forward the seventeenth reported the planning and environment committee I258will be calling259and number seventeen and …

I have been asked to260pull number twenty one261which is the …

fourteen fifty three fourteen fifty nine262Oxford Street east263there’s would Avenue application as well and fifteen seventeen which264is the Southdale road west thank you very much deserve265anyone would have any other item that was separately266back to construct thank you your worship has always planning267is a very busy the agenda with numerous holding provisions268and so the parking sensors review going out for consultation269and a number of public participation meetings that were held270one in particular was the …

proposed amendments to the271London plan and zoning by law when it comes to272encouraging growing food in urban areas so with that I273would also just add we received the delegation from us274and the love and the chair of the package as275well as the lots reports and with that I will276put all these items277so all the items with the exception of …

item278seventeen three point three at twenty one three point seven279are for consideration any other comments or questions with respect280to those items281I see none we’ll call the question 282closing the vote the motion passed 15 to 0 283yeah I would like to put a number seventeen three284point three which is the application for ninety nine Southdale285road west on the floor …

there are a number286of amendments administrative and then mensen housekeeping our considerations …287so I would want to bring that to the …288council’s attention as well as the …

ward councillor …289councillor van Meerbergen has asked to speak to this as290well so I’m not sure how to proceed …

I291will probably start off with the housekeeping amendments I wonder292if you like to put those on the floor those293amendments those are the ones that were presented to …294to council …

we receive that in our communications earlier295wonder if you could identify them and that might help296…

colleagues yeah R.

one of the residents at the297pre amendment sheet …

with the recommendation if you can298see the changes as it relates to see our from299the previous recommendations the other …

admitted …

housekeeping is300the reference to C.

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instead of set and the301other one is the …302the recap reference to density as well I need to303go through your worship to the clerk just to get304clarification305let’s go to the clerk 306thank you Mr Meraz just before council a another item307that came to attention and …

we have we just308as you went in the council circulated a revised map309are to you with respect to the …

the same310application …

there is a storm water management pond …311included and …

it was the wrong zoning …

for312that area perhaps Mr Barrett could explain it a little313better than I am Mr vacant light displays314thank you your worship yes 315we apologize were few housekeeping technical errors with this me316if I’ve just got to density one first is to317help the council understand the base on that would have318been applied to the zone killing with a density greater319than in fact it was approved in was discussed at320the planning committee meeting so with the consent of the321applicant Batman what was made whereby the base owning is322shown as a hundred units per hectare and that’s the323number that was discussed at the public meeting the other324matters a matter of mapping there’s a stormwater management facilities325so see with site that’s going to be included it326can be shown in the O.

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four area because327that’s the area to be conserved so …

the line328work as amended to show where the stormwater management facility329would be located would be under the same zoning as330the rest of the development and then the O.

S.331four would go on the remainder of the lands of332the of the woodland area to be preserved333so do colleagues have any questions for Mr Baird with334respect to the amendment said the reference to the …335well the ref all the reference that he’s made with336respect to this membership put forward by the chair337so we have …

on the floor the amendment says338…

put forward by the chair339I’ll need a seconder for that please 340I see councillor Cassidy thank you comments questions 341the let’s call the question 342closing the vote and the motion carries 14 to one 343…

yes …

I know the ward councillor would like344to make a few comments but I would like to345…

add …

to the public participation meeting …

that346we received …

at a delegation from the …347…

holy Trinity Greek orthodox community as well and it348was a conversation at the …

planning committee that they349would continue to …

work with the applicant …

and350you could to continue further conversations through the site plan351process as well I think that was really important to352note from the a public participation meeting353thank you madam chair before we open this up for354either any debate or other additional comment I will require355…

that this a motion as amended to be put356on the floor and seconded …

chair you …

willing357to do that and do I have a seconder358I see councillor 5 Miller thank you 359any comments or questions …

because remember your names come360up more than once I’m not trying to go due361to talk in if you’d like to see something with362respect to the jewel363yes thank you very much 364share and mirror 365I didn’t want to …

sorry one second is getting366my367I do want to bring forward some are some positive368news …

as came up at the at the planning369committee meeting370are there was some concern from the holy Trinity Greek371orthodox community372both the proposed development I was happy to attend a373meeting earlier this afternoon374is today’s meeting between the applicant and the Greek orthodox375community376are they were able to 377coming to terms reach a compromise 378and …

right now the applicant so …

either has379already submitted or is the process of submitting a letter380to bring to what was stated …381in summary it’s basically moving the blocks that are proposed382or six of them383around so that the proper pondering so far up the384floors if you will hire buildings are further away from385the church community itself 386…

for example along the …

would lot line and387more towards the388immersion properties so all in all very successful and I389would ask390colleagues to support this 391thank you any other comments or questions with respect to392item three point three as amended393because rentals please 394thank you your worship there was say I believe a395letter requesting a referral to the next meeting is that396our next council meetings that397no longer necessary 398I don’t want to presume it would seem not but399I will go back to the chair for that400just give up council members further information about …

I401think it’s really important to understand all these policies that402that have come into effect here and I understand that403the base zoning regulation of the density provision of the404R.

nine five zone permits a hundred twenty five units405at per hectare whereas the swap secondary plan plan restricts406the density two hundred407and a units per hectare through the zoning bylaw therefore 408to rectify the zoning in the swap secondary plan the409bylaw to be considered by council includes a special provision410that restricts the density two hundred points per hectare this411application is under that thank you any other comments concerning412host413thank you thank you any other comments collection because remember414in place …415you already spoken I’m sorry 416and since you’re on mute it doesn’t seem to matter417anyway it was just a point of information for the418councillors questioned you correctly answer to your worship thank you419okay good thank you any other comments or questions420seeing none let’s call the question as a matter 42115 422motion carries 15 is 423thank you I’m not sure colleagues for that the fifteen424to zero according to clerk it was carried thank you425that councillor Hopkins426…

yes thank you your worship so the next one427that I’ve been asked to have pool is number twenty428one which is the application at fourteen fifty three fourteen429thirty nine Oxford Street east and …

six forty eight430six fifty six pairs would Avenue this was a public431participation meeting that was held at the planning the staff432recommendation was to refuse it there was a discussion for433a referral it did not pass the committee did support434of staff’s recommendation I know we have subsequently receive further435information and one of the concerns was about at the436…

the the the the the process of …

holding437the public participation if it was fair and I …438have reviewed I have spoken with city clerks at to439make sure that we did undertake the the correct procedure440when it came to the public participation meeting and from441what I understand we did allow the applicant the five442minutes that was allowed and the applicant did to …443suggests that if there were any questions from the committee444that he would be available I think it’s important …445to to …

make sure the council is aware that446we did undertake the the correct process …

and …447with thoughts I will put this on the floor448thank you any comments or questions colleagues 449she councillors 450thank you your worship and on this one 451we have indeed received additional information and I don’t at452all this group councillor Hopkins in terms of the public453participation process I think we followed our our standard procedures454…

correctly …

but we’ve also heard from from the455applicant directly …

between PC and today that they are456open to continuing to work with our staff to find457a way for a path forward here …

including working458with HTC to formalize affordable housing agreements including working with459them on heightened density so it’s my intention to ask460council to consider referral on the language will not be461really that much different than …

what I raced at462PC which was that …

the application by red maple463properties relating to the properties at four fifty three and464four fifty nine Oxford Street east end for six forty465eight six fifty six errors would Avenue he referred back466to civic administration to undertake the following actions and report467back at a future meeting of the planning and environment468committee and those would be clause eight to work with469the applicant to ensure the appropriate framework is in place470for the provision of affordable housing units at seventy percent471of the average market rate for fifty years B.

to472work with the applicant to determine options to resolve the473sanitary sewer capacity issues and see …

to work with474the applicant to revise the application to consolidate the subject475properties as being within the rapid transit corridor476it being noted that this is not withstanding the one477hundred meter policy guideline adjacent to a rapid transit station478for the purpose of developing height and density suitable to479such locations and by such location that’s referring to the480rapid transit corridor …

so that’s the referral …

that481I’m asking for a while I guess I believe councillor482van Meerbergen has indicated he’ll second that for me and483then we can perhaps have some discussion on them well484when we when we find that …

took house remember485going to the second right thank you very much I486have a speakers list I’ll start with that councillor hillier487please488and I’m sorry sorry I haven’t actually yielded the floor489I we feel the need for you but go ahead490councillors491I just I just wanted to provide a little bit492of of context around …

the reason I ask for493this referral again …

you know I I do think494that there’s value in in letting our staff talk to495the applicant further on this rather than just ending you496know right I’d hate to send this back to a497square one stage with a brand new pre consults for498both the applicant and our staff spend that time over499again on items they’ve already discussed at colleagues may not500be aware that …

the application that came before us501was actually a revision of an earlier application it was502at a lower height …

the in having heard from503the applicant that there certainly recognizing and and I would504say if we’re discussing the application as presented tonight I505I would be you know was well because I do506think that the height is is excessive for this location507…

but I think that we’ve heard from the applicant508they’re willing to work with our staff on this I509think there is an opportunity to shorten the the510process in terms of instead of sending it back to511square one that we send it back and give them512another try here would be the first time that we513referred an application back for further discussion with staff and514and I think the indications we’ve got from the applicant515is they’ve heard loud and clear that we don’t really516have support for but I’m from anyone on the existing517application and so they’re willing to revise it and come518back with something new so I hope that folks will519consider that and …

we’ll see what other folks have520seen now I will yield the floor521consider yourself yielded thank you councillors concert earlier please 522yes thank you very much well just a question for523staff when the corner of Oxford and high agrees developed524what will the height restrictions be right across the road525from real Hampton Avenue in that corner up by financial526because that’s a large parcel it’s gonna be developed as527well no height restrictions on that parcel will be528what are strategists cards which you can directed if you529need to share530yeah I think there is a separate right I’m assuming531you’re talking with the London psych psychiatric plans that were532so there is a secondary plan for that …533I will defer to Mister chair he might topple more534detailed terms of the535types of sites that you might see …

on the536property thanks good district537thank you for your worship in a partisan I’m starting538to try to pull up that information …

D.

did539as as Mr Kosvas indicated there is a second plan540on those lands and they also are within a a541portion of them within the transit village so there’s a542different set of height permissions that go with that543trying to 544which we find 545what those are if if I could come back 546yes once I get that information have been trying to547fill air time as I scroll through it to try548to find that the correct answer for me549when we thank you very much councillor go ahead please 550yeah the reason I’m asking is obvious if we’re going551to restrict development right next door to this location and552all of a sudden the thirty story building pops up553we’re gonna look very that554thank you any other questions that you might have cancer555if not I’m going to send this over to consciously556depending on but by the way I reserve the right557that …

issued to as …

Mr bird comes back558to some response you want to follow up on that559there’s still time within your allotment here councillor Salih please560thank you Mr chair I just appreciate the motion from561councillor Lewis stop exporting refer I think it’s a great562opportunity for the applicant is after work out some of563the challenges that we heard it planning of our missile564committee planning environment committee …

I appreciate the feedback that565I heard …

and I got an email as well566from the applicant as well today I’m so I guess567I encourage everyone to support referral I think there’s a568need for more housing in this area …

you know569especially with students and I’m just residents in the area570so I think …

this is warranted and I think571hopefully my I hope to see more development and more572three it doesn’t really happen that often I think it’s573probably a574thirty this time my my entire term on council …575could be wrong but shrubs I think there’s always a576need in the east and and I think this is577something so I could see welcome developers to come towards578the east and that because there’s housing needs and hopefully579we can figure out something in the long term through580our streets down to the mat581thank you much consciously any other comments or questions before582I ask Mr birds had the opportunity councillor Turner go583ahead please584I thank you worship just through you to staff …585will be the impact of of the referral back and586recognized we do this from time to time but …587there’s a fairly …

unequivocal recommendation for refusal here is588there a user prospect of success in a referral back589or at step590is this kind of a reconcilable 591I would if we give that to Mr mayor 592well I can jump into your worship well Mr bricks593Mr Kosvas you two are really mixing me up today594but you go ahead please595so there’s a couple of things I think …

you596may want to consider is council one is the we597will work with the applicant please since the September twenty598twenty so it’s been it’s been a lot of discussions599on this the timeline for the applications lap so it600it is within601…

the purview of the applicant to appeal for602lack of decisions so not having a decision and having603referral back …604would not benefit on the city at this point the605other part of that as well606…

is that …

to do the do referral back607is really direction to stop it’s not necessarily direction to608the applicant and …

although we love to try to609negotiate and try to get down to something that we610would be much more comfortable with we’ve been having a611lot of these discussions for some time it’s not come612to fruition so …613that could be problematic the other third party which I614would mention would be is the part C.

to the615resolution or the direction I think we had some discussion616about that not to the planning department committee as well617I am Mr Barrett might want to speak to them618a little bit as well our act my comments619I’m almost sure staff structure very polite you try please 620thank you for your worship to the 621the first question that was asked related to the heights622so within the transit village the heights are permitted from623fifteen to twenty two storeys so this ask is actually624even greater625then then the might that ask is the or that626much to permissions would be there and as was indicated627there’s also a secondary plan on these lands and I’m628I’m just rapidly scrolling through that now to find there629was a table heights but …

it would have been630consistent or or probably less than than the fifteen to631twenty two storeys as it relates to the referral …632I believe that Mr Kosvas perhaps 633hit the the the biggest issue which is it’s a634referral to staff it’s not a referral to the applicant635…

and certainly …

well I understand cancer so the636option is expressing637…

desire to work with it and and made the638made mention of a revised application …

certainly639we do more than happy to to look at a640revised application but the position of641working from as was noted and establish staff position with642something that we’re we know the applicant has not been643sort of in in favor of makes I guess to644refer a little bit difficult we’re not too sure645what in fact we’re bringing to the table as relates646to the cloud see and kind of working within the647context of the rapid transit corridor648certainly as part of the consideration the application 649that interpretation can be made as to whether the land650should be included within and and based on the nature651of the application652staff would would be making that recommendation to you as653part of their as part of the recommendations whether or654not these lands should be considered655the reason quite honestly in this instance what was not656done was because …657the positions were so we’re so far apart that we658in fact couldn’t recommend that you interpret the entire parcel659of land to be within the RTC or the rapid660transit corridor if in fact we’re not supporting the notion661in the first instance so that quite honestly is the662reason why so with all due respect within the referral663I don’t know that we need the direction to consider664making that determination because that would be part of the665determination on the review of the application666…

it was our position and and and I believe667that we we668brought this forward at that up to space meeting at669the time requirement committee that it’s just a a cleaner670process to to start over again with a new application671and these matters can be addressed and certainly the applicant672has heard the concerns of council has heard the concerns673of staff and …

the concerns of public as it674relates to this application and those I would suggest you675the issues the sentry capacity the issue of the appropriate676level of intensity the issue for the the appropriate amount677of bonusing that might support any increase in that level678of intensity and the appropriateness of of the consolidation of679the parcels as we relate to the rapid transit quarter680would all be part of that consideration681I have an application 682thank you councillor Turner 683thanks that was a lot of really important information in684that response I certainly appreciate that both Mister chair Mister685Costas686I think for those reasons I think we we should687really …

take caution in such a referral back …688the …689most most importantly there was the …

the items that690by not having a decision of council I should just691get appealed to help patch than others there’s not a692reference …

from council by which to …

a tanker693any of the of the the city’s position and in694our case went before that …

so695and and I think Mr Curtis said well the if696the opportunity and it just becomes cleaner at to start697the process over again it sounds like …

for a698for a wide number of reasons hi this is a699sharp departure from anything that would be supported in our700in our …

planning documents and …

in our process701so …

sorry yeah I’d urge that …

that you702defeat the referral and K.

refusals appropriate on its own703…

and the process can continue doesn’t mean it’s the704end of the process …

I did via the applicant705still owns the lands the applicant still has an interest706in developing on the lands the applicant still I will707place density on those lands that consistent with what to708what they’re allowed to do …

and and but they709need to work with staff to get there now the710referral is one path towards it but it has as711you heard it’s fought with a lot of perils and712and really complicates the city’s ability to713to work with the applicant in the appropriate way 714the applicants not walking away from this property it’s it’s715valuable it does need to be developed I agree with716my colleagues …

that …

it just needs to be717done right718thank you I doubt I’d like to circle back we719can …

before I go to our next speaker to720councillor hillier who had a question answered by721…

by staff and wonder if that prompts any other722questions in terms of your time723No I’m good with that I’m just concerned what the724end result looks like that’s all thanks very much let725me call then on …

deputy mayor mark in place726thank you worship I have a question for Mr chair727then I’ll make some comments …

good to go728along the lines of what councillor Turner asked about and729and something that …

was set by our staff I730wanna understand I wanna confirm my understanding of the process731and what happens if we refuse it the application could732appeal that are the applicant could appeal that and …733the basis of the staff position would be council’s position734a refusal735if we were to refer it back and the applicant736appealed they would be able to appeal on the grounds737of of non decision by passing the statutory one hundred738and twenty days I believe it is739and then I believe our staff instead of not having740position you would come back to planning committee to get741a position to take to the defense …

at the742tribunal in other words we would end up at the743same spot if you know council confirmed staff’s position at744that point when when there is that check in knowing745that I that’s obviously up for debate but I wanna746understand that that’s the process that we still have the747opportunity to …

to carve out a position at a748PC on this to to be the basis of the749city’s defence750Mr mayor 751through your worship yes it is hi if there is752an appeal on the decision tenets that decision that would753be the base of the P.

O.

M.

and and754the positions that would be taken that …

before the755LLC756if the appeal is based on a lack of decision 757then then …

cancer Morgan is correct then we would758as a matter of course be coming back to get759a position760that we would then take to the O.

L.

T.761to to put forward is council’s position on the matter762because763they would there wouldn’t be a position that the base764of the appeal would be the lack of that decision765you wouldn’t of had a decision so we would have766to come back and find out what the position of767council would be before the …

well to768deputy mayor okay thank you that that I appreciate that769and I I understand that that’s a step in the770process but I I I know will have a chance771to to care about a position so …

all my772thoughts on this and I appreciated …

the area773councillors when774and on this as well is …

at our staff775it said a couple times that that they’d work with776the applicant and they hadn’t come to …

to to777anything that was close and I agree the applicant applications778currently stands is not close to what we should be779approving780but I think the difference here is you had the781planning committee …

give them a big fat no and782that probably got their attention and they written a letter783now and in the first line of that letter it784says there a question that the application be referred back785to planning staff for further discussions in order to bring786forward a development proposal with bouncing provisions more in keeping787in line with the plan function of the subject lines788in other words the recognizing that their application is off789base here they said all matters relating to this proposal790are open for meaningful review and an endorsement of referral791back to staff would not be considered an endorsement of792the current twenty four story three hundred eighty one Hector793proposal and it sounds to me like they’re trying to794be genuine and in recognizing that …

this is not795close to being approved …

that there’s an opportunity here796to have discussions and I think they may be highly797motivated now knowing that the planning committee had no interest798in supporting this moving forward so I’m inclined on this799not to necessarily make them start the application over especially800given the local councillors feedback on this and have this801opportunity to to go back to them through this process802…

and see where it goes but I I will803say and I know we can’t direct the applicant that804from my perspective I think that the planning committee made805a good decision with the applications currently stands I I806don’t think this is even close to was done …807needs to happen in the area I think there are808significant issues related to the …

sanitary sewer capacities that809need to be dealt with …

and there are certainly810there certainly this applicant will need to come …811into line with our staff’s position or very close to812it …

you know respecting the parameters of of the813referral …

and I’m hoping that they’re listening to this814debate and I hear that because …

certainly a referral815back …

for me is not in any way as816they’d said an endorsement of their current application which I817think …

planning committee made a good decision on stopping818sent I’m willing to give them another another go at819this and if if it turns out that they want820to choose to appeal that are non decision well we’ll821have our opportunities to support …

what our staff have822said and and carbon a position for municipal council if823necessary824thank you councillor 825thank you chair 826at committee I support the staff recommendation 827…

I miss promote primarily because …

does the applicant828…

had come back a second time …

and did829not come close to addressing concerns of staff at that830time primarily around density …

a number of levels831…

so here we are …

I have listened to832the debate and …

I put great …

wait on833the local councillors lease …

words to …

tonight …834so I guess I wanna have a and so go835through you chair to staff for the question836…

what would be a delay so if we went837down …

Avenue line where we …

rejected …

this838proposal and they had to start from scratch …

versus839if we …

referred it back and the developer was840able to properly address …

the concerns of staff to841satisfy stuff on these …

contentious …

issues …

what842what would be the timeline estimate I know you don’t843know that you can on the crystal ball but approximately844what does this delay the project …

by a year845or more if they had to start back at scratch846compared to if they could go down …

you know847the …

route that’s being proposed tonight with the …848amendment849recognizing that my crystal ball is cloudy 850if if it was referred back 851we’ve got a hundred and twenty days to get it852back in front of you853so it’s it’s not a year long process how long854it takes on a referral on the back and forth855and to discuss before there’d be something to bring back856for the committee857we we don’t have control over that so I I858don’t know if that would be three months or would859be the six months the same as a hundred twenty860days that would be the the time timeline under under861a brand new application councillor862thank you 863the site I’ve seen both sides here and having …864you know …865in my mind right now where I’m gonna go but866what I have to look at is I believe that867…

you know my mind we need housing …868to …

I believe that going the route me with869this …

Memon870…

would be a quicker way to get that housing871built I see affordable housing here …872…

I’m not keen to …

you know give this873developer …

more leeway …

but …

given the words874of the local local councillor Slee I will I will875support this with the cabinet that876this comes again before planning and I don’t see …877great movement on there is a density here …

I878will not be supporting it going further879thank you any other comments from college I see councillor880Cassidy please881thank you your worship I have a question to staff 882so the reason for the refusal as it is is883the size of this property in the fact that a884good chunk of it is not within a rapid transit885corner886so simply because it’s in his referral to consolidate 887is that 888we would staff see that as a requirement to revise889that policy that’s on the books and then therefore revise890your891your recommendation to council at a future meeting 892notwithstanding what the policies are in the rapid transit corridor 893I’m 894through the chair 895sorry through that to worship the mayor it would perhaps896be best if if that wasn’t there at all because897it in fact is directing898it could be implied to be directing interpretation as I899indicated to you900the notion of whether or not and and consider sorry901let me start902all these properties along the rapid transit corridors supported by903policy in the London plan904so that it is that it’s not an untoward notion 905and through that consolidation as part of a recommendation to906you where we would support that we would be recommending907that the interpretation be made such that would include those908properties that were would that have been corporate service so909the notion consolidation is not bad it’s not country to910the policies911and and certainly there are instances where we’ve looked at912that and and we’ve applied those policies where we have913amalgamated parcels to support a more intense for development and914and we’ve asked that that interpretation be made915so this is not country but my fear is that916it one could construe that the way it’s it it’s917constructed within that referral is that the direction is their918first just make that interpretation anyway and so if this919is to come back yeah I personally I would be920more comfortable that it not be making that explicit reference921and and providing for some direction on the interpretation of922the RTC policy but allow that to come through through923any revised or amended application924well we may it may be considered that the mover925and a seconder want to consider that but let’s stay926with councillor Cassidy927okay 928so this is part of the problem with the referral929for me …

I thought that they930any committee did a good job …

in your deliberations931on this is file …

I felt like that this932is the exact referral was refused by the committee and933now I’m here a couple of committee members you can934in favor of the exact same motion without really a935lot of new information so we have a letter from936the developer who’s promising to do better this time even937though they’ve been talking to staff since September twenty twenty938and had ample opportunity to do better they’ve had ample939opportunity to change their position to compromise and I’m940and they chose not to so I I I’m I’m941not really buying their letter and I really don’t think942that this is new information I think that there is943a secondary plan in place and we’ve we’ve dealt with944a number of secondary plans this year and then go945back to the thing that I always always always stay946a secondary plan is in place to protect947when there is a conflict between a higher density area948and a lower density residential area the secondary plan protects949that lower density residential area and provides for that transitioning950so that we would see the higher densities and the951biggest heights along the arterial roads and further away with952some buffering and transitioning of height down as you get953closer to the residential area when you see the residential954…

and they aerial map of this area I’m consolidating955these properties and treating it all as rapid transit corridor956is eliminating all of those protections from the secondary plan957I hear with their 958I agree that we do you know what we do959need housing we talk about it all the time I960agree that we do need to …

provide incentives …961and and a little bit of pressure on developers to962provide more affordable housing963what we did have also when I’m just beating the964notion of the student housing we had a letter from965Fanshawe college not in favor of this development as it966as it was presented967and I do know that 968our post secondary institutions have been affected by the pandemic969and I do know that there are and G.

I’m locks are in the area where students would normally be971residing972that doesn’t mean we’re not gonna need that …

more973spaces for students and other people down the road right974now in this particular area student housing is not into975Christ976I think the …

staff have been extremely clear in977their position wait this developer and as a stand already978the developer is the one that does not seem to979be interested in …

adjusting your position I think that980the planning committee made a very clear message gave a981very clear message to the developer and I think that982this council needs to follow through983and continue with that clear message and that will be984incentive for this particular applicant to work with staff in985a meaningful way986I won’t be supporting the referral service settings will not987support part three988thank you very much are you made reference to see989and I do have uh …

councillors has has caught990my attention with respect to …

as the mover of991this to …

provide some …

working based on992some of the advice from staff and I wonder if993I could look to councillor Lewis fish994thank you your worship …

I think it’d to make995this simple for everyone …

I’m prepared to withdraw C.996from the referral …

any hearing Mister bear …

say997that they would be taking that into consideration as an998option anyway …

I think it’s clear that that is999on the table for staff to consider that interpretation …1000on a revised application so I’m prepared to withdraw see1001from that referral do you have councillor van Meerbergen support1002for that that you do on I’m not recognized because1003rockets players1004thank you your worship and thank you to my colleagues1005for your comments and always interested in what everyone’s opinions1006are around the horseshoe and in particular …

this referral1007…

which I was going to say is the same1008referral that we discussed at planning1009so nothing has changed and the concerns for me still1010remain I understand see is going to be taken off1011the table but the one thing that I think is1012really important to understand with this referral is that we’re1013asking staff to do the work1014not the applicant 1015and that is a concern for me that’s not going1016to1017staff are gonna have a hundred twenty days here to1018to to what I’m not sure if they’re going to1019come up with …

resolve the sanitary sewers1020I with this application I have seen no change from1021the planning committee meeting to where we are today I1022won’t be supporting the referral I do appreciate though councillor1023salaries comments he is being consistent as long as I’ve1024known among council that housing is really important in the1025east end we’ve heard …

that we can get density1026we can get up to twenty two storeys even in1027this area but this application1028it’s far removed 1029and what is allowed in this area and for that1030I won’t be supporting the referral and we’ll be supporting1031again staff’s recommendation to refuse1032thank you any other calls it your worship if I1033may …

yeah please …

just to continue my thought1034process of planning so1035also encourage the applicant to work with city staff moving1036forward I think that still is available to the applicant1037and really would encourage the applicant to work with city1038staff thank you1039thank you I’m sure I such rude on their constructions1040are would never of cut you off especially as chair1041any other comments or questions college1042I see councillor helmer and councillor van Holst 1043thank you just through the mayor I wonder if some1044of the1045engineering staff across planning staff can answer G.

about1046the servicing constraint there’s1047two things that have been identified in the report one1048is that the existing sanitary sewer is really close to1049capacity and this proposed development would put it over1050and that’s one of the reasons suggested for refusal 1051the second ideas of the applicant could pay their cost1052to upgrade the infrastructure and I wonder1053the getting into a lot of the details what would1054be involved in upgrading that infrastructure I mean how how1055much of it are we talking about the needs to1056be1057but in large 1058I don’t know if I start with Mr Baird …1059Mr Kosvas for reference but …

let’s start there1060your worship you you don’t start with me but I1061will …

if Mr Kosvas doesn’t have the answer I1062will see if I can1063find something for these costs this you got somethin airforce 1064through your worship I wish I did but I I1065don’t know the exact amounts of …

type that would1066need to be1067operators Michael Jeez 1068the structure we try to find a way as to1069be1070continues perhaps a concern we’ve got some other questions or1071comments or if it’s all based on that then we1072may have to wait a bit we’ll call on council1073members to bring it back as you wish1074I’m just going to 1075ray is another related question press that the same person1076who and what will be answering …

yeah this site1077is sort of just near the intersection of three1078a drainage areas so you’ve got the area to the1079north the drains to Adelaide1080the area to the southwest that drains to Vauxhall and1081then the area to the1082east and southeast restraints on the Parkersburg terms of the1083waste water treatment plants and I I wanted to ask1084because the site is to the west of this the1085large area that is owned by …

bluestone you know1086they are proposing to read about a lot of1087…

that into higher density is there anything that’s going1088on in the east London servicing study that would fundamentally1089change where this site we’re talking about now I would1090be drain to is it possible that it’s gonna start1091raining towards Boxall instead of down second street to Paris1092for Mr Kosvas are able to respond to that1093your worship unfortunately no 1094I’m wondering if …

I’m not sure if this year1095has any information on that set recognizing this is1096but 1097but I don’t at this point 1098do I try to make sure give can you shed1099some light1100thank you your worship but fortunately I can’t at this1101time we’re not a position to be able to provide1102that information yet with where we are on the standard1103servicing study1104sure a customer not getting the answers you’re asking but1105I appreciate that it these are …

that to be1106shared so other folks it to I’m sure would have1107those answers any in the house for you1108yeah I’m just gonna weigh in on the issue of1109the referral and I I supported a referrals in the1110past where you know something’s been recommended to be refused1111but it seems like we are relatively close to working1112something out and unite I think1113so that’s what I look think about what is going1114to be the most effective1115a decision at this particular point the the applicant 1116 1117initially proposed eighteen story building in the pre consultation on1118that idea right now they would have definitely heard from1119planning staff that that was too intense and too tall1120and despite that they came back with the twenty four1121storey building that’s even larger and even more intense and1122it’s no surprise that it’s being recommended to be refutes1123I think they can see the writing on the wall1124based on the discussion at planning committee at this point1125it’s a salvage operation to try and save the fees1126that they have to pay for official plan amendment and1127zoning amendment which you refuse that they’ll have to pay1128those again and I come in for another1129amendment you know they could have avoided this problem I1130just proposing a shorter building and I’m sure planning staff1131for this part of it and it planning committee would1132support it and we’d be approving not all sorry or1133fourteen story building1134and it’s very easy I think to look at the1135heights that are allowed1136as a corridor in the London plan between twelve and1137sixteen stories depending on where you are in those rather1138transit corridors even higher in the transit diligence1139I took I guess where the right level is 1140and damn firstly there’s been a lot of time based1141on this application the applicants time planning staff time …1142because the proposed something that was much cheaper thank1143and so I think that probably the most decisive thing1144we do is just say now and they can apply1145again they’ll have to pay the fee again they’ll have1146to revise their plans which they have to do either1147way and they’ll be on the new clock and I’m1148not probably get back to us faster than if we1149were to refer if we are for it no Mr1150Barrett said yeah a hundred twenty days one received an1151application we have to come back you recommendation it could1152actually longer with the referral could take longer now1153you know I’m I’m asking is anyone else to see1154a high density building on the site it looks like1155it can accommodate a twelve story building with that service1156is in place right now1157so I guess the question is what’s the quickest pathway1158to get to that kind of outcome I actually think1159refusal probably the most decisive in and cook is way1160to get to that apple can be back in with1161the new application probably in that range we can deal1162with it in short order so I hear we consistently1163is this coming from my here councillor Lewis is coming1164from the trying to get you know a a slightly1165less intense proposal in front of us but I think1166refusal rather than referral we went in given how things1167unfold so far1168thank you because run host 1169I think your worship so my question through you to1170our staff is Sir with regard to1171solving the 1172they M.

sewer capacity dilemma 1173that’s definitely gonna be work that needs to be done1174by our our internally and …

I wanted to ask1175how long will that take1176Sir how long will it take please just tend to1177come up with a solution if the …

and the1178applicant is going for …

something larger than them twelve1179stories and we need to we need to take some1180action …

how how long will that what would that1181require us1182Mr mayor any thoughts 1183your worship 1184I I can’t give you an exact timeline and I1185I really don’t have the exact information I am recalling1186some of the discussion was held there this is with1187respect to the sentry servicing is is related very much1188to the intense involvement that’s proposed so certainly a lower1189level of intensity something could be worked and I think1190where we land on what that amount is could address1191whether or not there are alternative solutions are and solutions1192that can be done it’s my understanding the longer term1193solution for these lands has not yet and as as1194Mr indicated there’s still work to has to be done1195in the open servicing strategy of service servicing plan for1196for these areas but my understanding was that there was1197some information provided that could provide for some interim solutions1198based on the level of intensity so that’s a long1199convoluted way of saying it could go relatively quickly based1200on what’s there and what alternative solutions could be come1201up with and and and and what how much capacity1202in fact exists I would also add that in fact1203that work a lot of that work has to be1204done by the proponent not by so again that they1205had the timing on that is again very much going1206to be driven by the applicant and not bye bye1207sit by the city1208thank you councillor host 1209okay thank you that’s helpful the 1210my next question the the density is that isn’t driven1211solely by the height that’s being requested1212which where 1213did did what it’s related to the I don’t mean1214as much as that’s the number of units to densities1215calculated by the number of units that they’re proposing on1216the land area occupied by what it is it’s being1217closed so the height is including or bringing more more1218units and that increasing units is increasing the density on1219the site councillor Austin1220I think you know if this were to be included1221that the pope if they were consolidated and …

considered1222to be in the rapid transit corridor then is it1223it’s1224what’s just remind me what the maximum height would be1225there1226is it to 22 1227that’s where 1228knowing the RTC it’s not the twenty two it’s it’s1229it’s the the lower height it’s the gosh the up1230today I believe it’s up to sixteen up to fifteen1231with that with the bonusing …

the building next door1232is fourteen so it’s up to fifteen with the bonusing1233within the RTC the consolidation has already be considered for1234that level of density that’s been done that level of1235density and intensity that supposed is over that entire site1236it’s it’s not based on a call whether or not1237it was in the art RTC or not it’s how1238much they’ve actually proposed in the application that’s a host1239okay thank you and 1240I guess the observation I would make is that many1241many times that developers are coming and asking us for1242thanks greater them then we seem to have 1243contemplated 1244this lady is there and 1245we are in a position where we need more housing1246and heights this is an easy way to get more1247of something’s being developed and my number more stories and1248then there’s an increase in housing that happens1249quite quickly is there 1250do we need to do some reconsideration of 1251of heights 1252maybe then we can that’s what the hell 1253provide that question but …

you know I realize that1254the answer may be difficult that maybe a broader question1255for another time I’m not certain that Mr bird it’s1256been asked1257very quickly through your worship 1258the right permissions are provided one planner actually in most1259since is greater than heights that exist in the current1260planning framework in the city so it’s not an issue1261do we have enough height it’s an issue where the1262site is being asked for marks being applied so I1263would suggest you that1264a broad stroke breast do we need to look at1265at our heights tables I think are height Sir are1266are appropriate it’s …

whether or not those sites in1267the right location and …

the London plan actually provides1268a much broader location for where these sites can occur1269and I’ll send closer 1270thank you your worship thank you …

I have no1271other speakers on the list1272you’ll note that we’re dealing with 1273for all related to a and B.

which if you1274refresh your screen you’ll see that …

motion there1275this is on the referral 1276and with that we’ll call the question 1277councillor Turner 1278motion is Los 78 1279thank you very much because rob inspector 1280I think that is Mary thank you 1281 1282I’d like to put the us us recommendation for parking 1283thanks very much any other comments or questions 1284we’ll call the question 1285the motion carries 13 to 2 1286thank you very much appreciate the very much now colleagues1287eight point to the sixteenth for the community protective services1288committee councillor helmer please1289thank you I’m not aware of anybody wanting to pull1290anything separately so I think I can put the entire1291report on the floor I will draw your attention to1292this site appropriate before asking a comment I wonder if1293there is …

I appreciate that it comes from refer1294anyone does wish to do something separately and then I’ll1295get you comment please in case provide comments something that1296some wishes to pulled1297because 1298good to go 1299good to go go ahead thank 1300I just wanted to comment on two items one of1301which is the grant for the additions …

development of1302affordable housing and market housing on the old Victoria hospital1303lands this is being recommended by committee and that’s a1304wonderful idea hope it receives support accounts I want to1305say to the1306people have been working on that project the various agencies1307that are involved the city staff1308in keep up the great work that is exactly what1309we need to see if we’re going to reach the1310next item which I’m gonna talk about which is the1311three thousand units the roadmap to …

three thousand portable1312units does exactly what we need to see happening in1313the city and that is really tremendous work together to1314this point I can’t wait to see it come to1315fruition and the second one I wanna comment on them1316nine number two point seven the road map and a1317you see colleagues as a lot of details and they’re1318about know how we’re gonna get to the three thousand1319affordable units broad strokes where they’re going to come from1320and …

you know how how we’re gonna get there1321and I think it’s really starting to sketch out a1322path to get to this vision that …

the merit1323mention in the city the city addressed …

and we1324endorsed and it’s a little while after that to say1325we need to get to three thousand units over the1326next five years cemex obviously of building new things subsidizing1327the construction of new housing units and doing things like1328rent supplements and to make sure that we can make1329the existing units more affordable for people without having to1330wait for the time it takes to build them and1331I think it’s a really comprehensive approach to the issue1332…

for housing so I will put the whole thing1333on the floor one to draw attention of those two1334which are obviously very important when it comes to affordable1335housing in our city1336thank you any other comments or questions with respect to1337the caps report1338literature then over to a different 1339mayor 1340thanks very much and colleagues there’s two items that …1341I would like to bring to your attention one the1342that …

councillor helmer already has brought your attention which1343is the road map that three thousand four double units1344…

you’ll note that didn’t committee this received unanimous support1345but to the credit of this council this is gotten1346strong strong support every step of the way and I’d1347like to acknowledge all of you this is such an1348important leadership role at all members of councillor plane to1349take care of those who sometimes just need a hand1350up or less able to care for themselves by or1351just by being able to provide additional supports third place1352and necessary so I wanna say thank you for what1353you’ve done in that in in the past I look1354forward to your continued support for this for every good1355reason the calls London the great caring community that it1356is and I just wanna say from my heart thank1357you very much all members of council and walls that1358the staff that it puts a tremendous work into this1359effort as well in this hasn’t happened by accident of1360the great work of staff to make this …

to1361make this so what it is today I will be1362looking at …

senior levels of government for support and1363those discussions are taking place …

even now1364colleagues the other one is a little different but it’s1365two point five the sports court donation by maple leaf1366sports and entertainment you’ll recall who some weeks back that1367we had to …

that we had both the …1368trying to raptors and the up front maple diesel timers1369…

alumni play …

at the Budweiser gardens and I1370have to tell you it was not only a great1371success to have those two terrific teams …1372…

in our city but maple leaf sports entertainment foundation1373made a point of contributing towards fifty thousand dollars people1374to provide a sports court right here their expense there1375engineering …

the location to be confirmed but let me1376tell you how generous of them and I just wanna1377send behalf of our city how grateful we are for1378their for their trip tremendous contribution he reminds me what1379holy goalie did not so long ago as well when1380they made a decision of greater number of parks in1381this community and that’s about …

corporations corporate Canada corporate1382London doing things for the greater good of the city1383for kids I just wanted to give them all show1384for the great work thanks very much back already deputy1385mayor1386I thank you I put myself on the speakers list1387will have delivered yourself at all through the chair back1388to you so noted go ahead different1389thank you for the to the comments that 1390councillor helmer made I wanna just say a couple things1391on that the road three thousand the road back to1392three thousand and I want to compliment the mayor …1393for his vision on this as councillor helmer said …1394this was something that came up in the state of1395the city address up until that point I think council1396had been you know very United on …

funding at1397the housing portfolio housing homelessness helping the most vulnerable are1398multi year budget had as a stork amount of investment1399and and and I think with the mayor did is1400he he he took that any he he went all1401in on it and he said …

we got up1402the bar here we got to set some targets and1403we got to find a way to do that and1404…

and so you know kudos to him for having1405the vision to …

to set the direction for council1406something that we can all rally behind something that we1407have all gotten behind is something that we now have1408the framework of a plan to try to bring to1409fruition and and I want to thank the incredible amount1410of work that our staff done …

to pull this1411plan together it’s bolts there are certainly risks associated with1412it …

but the risk of doing nothing I think1413is is much greater and so …

kudos to the1414mayor for his vision on this and and many thanks1415to all members of council who’ve been so supportive of1416our file people often like to talk about the things1417we disagree on at this is something that we are1418one hundred percent United on moving forward1419thank you other comments questions college 1420councillor Cassidy 1421thank you your worship I had the privilege of speaking1422with the late Pam McConnell who was the deputy mayor1423of Toronto …

she actually gave me an entire day1424…

and if anyone knew ms McConnell that waste a1425precious commodity and I I know I’m always very grateful1426for that time she spent with me we were talking1427about London’s we were in the midst of working on1428their line and for all …

report that eventually was1429endorsed by council and she was talking to me about1430…

the land and …

that’s run so …

poverty1431reject reduction strategy that was a two year project …1432and specific to the idea of dealing with issues around1433poverty …

she said something to me which which I1434always think about when I’m when I’m looking at all1435the things that has been happening in the house the1436area of housing and homelessness she said a wave like1437this comes along about once every ten years and and1438the way she was talking about was where all levels1439of government we’re in online makes to deal with a1440specific problem and and it feels like we are on1441a wage where where we’re talking about housing and homelessness1442and how we deal with that across the country not1443just in these isolated response is in in a local1444region I’m so we’re riding a wave right now and1445I think …

there is a real desire ambition push1446to solve this problem across the country so I’m I’m1447really grateful to all the levels of government that have1448made1449made it possible for us to be ambitious and I1450want to thank city staff because1451they are 1452as always when when opportunities come up especially funding streams1453from other levels of government our city staff are ready1454willing and able to1455they’ve already got the plans in place they’ve already done1456the stinking and they’re ready to just move forward and1457I am extremely grateful for how flexible and nimble and1458thoughtful and every everything you already said to Mr mayor1459how much our city staff are able to just hit1460the ground running with such a huge problem I also1461want to remind on council that …

not only did1462we put in any store can bask meant in our1463multi year budget …

for housing and homelessness that we1464had never done previously not to that level we also1465found in money or brought money back and from the1466medical innovation and research and network that wasn’t being used1467and with Mr Hayward’s recommendation we …

put that money1468towards best as well so …

every level of government1469including our own has made significant investments in this I’m1470I’m really pleased with this plan I’m really hopeful with1471this plan and …

I’m happy and anxious to see1472how how it plays out and move it forward thank1473you Mr chair and thank you to our for your1474vision and setting that goal or ask for this council1475and for the city1476thank you any other comments or questions 1477I’d like to just a gentle reminder to councillor Sali1478I’d I note here that you had you recuse yourself1479and two point three in committee you may wish to1480acknowledge that again I’m going to turn it over to1481from a place1482thank you Mr mayor on two point three of the1483work for the federal government any petitions to the application1484partnership with immigrants refugees this is a Canada on the1485current conflict my apologies okay so we’ll call the two1486point three if we can for you chair …

at1487the right time any other comments or questions1488thank you councillor helmer 1489thank you and sorry for not catching that that’s it 1490so they will call all of the two point three1491let’s call the vote please1492closing the vote the motion carries fifteen to zero councillor1493helmer1494that number two point three which is number seven in1495the agenda tonight the agreement for London and Middlesex local1496immigration partnership on the floor councillor sleaze declared a pecuniary1497interest thank you let’s call the question1498closing the vote and the motion carries fourteen with one1499recuse1500that customer 1501thank you for 1502first committee I’ll call councillor Cassidy 1503thank you your worship and it was our final meeting1504of the corporate services terminated not remember to thank the1505committee for their service center thanks to the staff for1506all the good work they did for years do that1507now I’ll put the entire report on the floor I1508have not been told that anyone would like anything1509does anyone wish everything double separately 1510thank you councillor Cassidy 1511I have no comment your your worship all just put1512the whole report on1513so noted any other comments or questions and …

for1514this report1515I see none we’ll call the question 1516closing the vote the motion carries 1517because you catch it 1518thank you madam chair thank you very much for the1519fifteenth for civic works account councillor Peloza please1520I have not been given notice to get called separate 1521well let’s ask the question anyone wish to have any1522of these items does independently1523thank you councillor Peloza thank you I will be putting1524items one through eleven on the floor I want to1525start off by thanking the members of the Citrix restraint1526being councillor helmer councillor Cassidy councillor van Meerbergen councillor Turner1527I myself and the mayor …

it’s been great work1528right this last year and what’s to be done the1529main highlights of this report is item two point one1530is not our normal traffic bylaw amendments this is a1531complete change in different ways and consolidation as to how1532we do …

some of these processes putting in a1533man focused on it and making things faster to be1534a service to Londoners item six being two point five1535is the number of naming a city assets this is1536an expansion of the street naming the city is recognized1537that we have different new policies for recreation complexes …1538park benches streets and consolidation of brown recognize your policies1539have been not updated since nineteen ninety four1540four point one is the new sidewalks neighbourhoods looking at1541doing things differently as we move forward as we concentrate1542on the pastors that we’ve been working hard behind the1543scenes to rectify not in a special thank you to1544staff on item two point six1545which doesn’t look overly exciting from the outside but it1546does where is our essential services we need to bring1547in for split string rear loading waste collection trucks this1548is Brenda how income or some different supply chain issues1549and that’s one staff went above and beyond behind the1550scenes to bring together different vendors to make the project1551still happen on budget and on time to service Londoners1552so that is the highlights …

civic works from nine1553fifteen1554thank you I didn’t realize this split string rear loading1555waste collection was the highlight but it’s all good I1556think frankly there we go comments other comments or questions1557for civic works1558because Robbins please 1559yeah I would like to make a comment on 1560of four point two number nine and four point one1561number eight and I just sort of first of all1562with four point two which is the new sidewalk project1563list for twenty twenty two and I want to pass1564on my personal thanks to staff for getting a number1565of …

sidewalks in in the Byron community area I1566think we all know is councillors how of our residents1567cherish the neighbourhoods in and moving around safely is very1568important and putting in sidewalks …

and connective itty is1569going to keep …

this a certain area and Byron1570a lot safer as …

residents move to and from1571school said of of back in the fifties it was1572suburbia we built we can bill sidewalks build wide roads1573and accommodated a lot of cars and now we are1574seeing the challenges of those white coats and opportunities to1575put sidewalks in and for a residents to move safely1576is very much appreciated so thanks to staff for a1577number of laws that sidewalks happening in in the Byron1578area I would also like to make a comment on1579four point one which is the new sidewalks in established1580neighbourhoods I think that is …

something hi I’m really1581supportive of doing I had for the past couple years1582…

works with to …

neighbourhoods in in the barn1583area and sometimes we get a sidewalk that comes up1584on the list and it may not be the right1585sidewalk and having a discussion in the neighbourhood is becomes1586a valuable tool to use where it it allows the1587community to give input to staff staff to listen to1588the neighbourhood concerns and then come up with a plan1589that is going to do …

it is gonna work1590to the community and of course it’s never going to1591be all perfect …

there’s always going to be some1592concern but the and1593Imation and that community engagement is so important so really1594looking forward to when I saw this come forward it1595was like when can I get land within the1596on the list and I hope …

look really1597look forward to further community engagement with this …

a1598new way of establishing how we’re going to look at1599sidewalks so thanks very much to …

the committee for1600…

supporting this …

new new way of looking forward1601thank you thank you any other comments or questions because1602remember in place1603thank you mark the 1604this wall R.

four point one number eight new sidewalks1605established neighbourhoods to me please we saw first hand earlier1606this year and it was each streets1607our which did not go ahead with proposed sidewalks 1608because it’s a reminder to all of us that we1609have to actually listen to the people are he served1610in our areas some of the streets1611really do not warrant a sidewalk any sh are we1612shape or form very small crescents are what have you1613short streets1614very little traffic count 1615…

no real safety hazard there are in in when1616you looking up mature areas …1617but often these places were never are built contemplating a1618sidewalk going through a lawn and in many cases these1619roads are so narrow that you can’t extend the sidewalk1620into the street even if you wanted to see you1621end up cutting out long even more1622so we have several of us went through this earlier1623in the spring and summer some of these people are1624well into their late seventies eighties the brace for families 1625in these areas and it’s devastating in many cases to1626them to see this come blowing through their properties …1627and and and I think this is a step in1628maybe …

in the right direction to these1629listening to see if there indeed wanted and needed 1630thank you very much I next have on my list1631councillor Lewis please1632thank you worship …

I also want to talk about1633the1634new sidewalks in existing neighborhoods a proposal and and speak1635in favor of it and I wanna take the opportunity1636in particular to thank miss Dan for all the work1637that she’s put into this I I know that this1638was quite an undertaking I know there’s been some …1639controversial in the neighbourhood decisions that have been …

before1640council and I think that this is going to provide1641a much smoother path forward and having the discussions are1642just with the residents on the street with those on1643the neighboring streets are impacted by these decisions as well1644…

during the summer …

is Dan came out for1645a visit to ward two and walked couple sidewalks …1646in my neighborhood that are in need of some repair1647and and we have an option you talk a little1648bit about …

this the sidewalk plans in general and1649and I I see some of the the things that1650we talked about …

reflected in the recommendation she’s making1651here and so I really appreciate her taking the time1652to come and see for herself what was happening in1653couple of of my neighborhoods …

but for all the1654work that went into this it’s it’s much appreciated1655I will share with council I I reflect on bucking1656road in my ward which had a sidewalk installed in1657the late summer …

and there was not …

huge1658amounts of support for it at first but staff listen1659in what we had a would eventually came forward was1660a design that was not going to impact on the1661Boulevard trees we’re gonna provide preserve those forty plus year1662old trees …

and we complex the sidewalk installation on1663one side of the road only through road narrowing …1664a week or so ago I was out on Wexford1665have …

doing little canvas and …

chatted with a1666mom who was walking over to lord Nelson school to1667pick up her son and she’s a resident on parking1668road she was using that sidewalk and wanted to thank1669me …

and and to express to staff for thanks1670for how it turned out because she wasn’t sure so1671sure at first …

that she wanted and she one1672of those trees preserved and now she sees the benefit1673of it rooster those neighbourhood conversations are that the opposition1674was overcome and what I see in this report is1675an opportunity to expand on those conversations1676and I think about barking road because 1677it’s not just the residents of block and were impacted1678of both on Bonaventure driving on admiral drive with transit1679service so we have writers getting on and off the1680buses and walking into that neighborhood1681we have schools on both ends so we have …1682families walking whether it’s for an after school activity and1683you know your staff after school activities are always a1684home school sometimes you’re playing the school down the road1685in your basketball game your volleyball game or what have1686you also there are there’s a lot of pedestrian activity1687in the area and that connector is going to be1688a really important piece moving forward but it was done1689through building some consensus on what was gonna work and1690that’s what I see in this plan is working towards1691building consensus instead of dividing and so again I just1692want to express my full support and and my thanks1693to staff who put in the time on this1694thank you I next councillor Turner 1695I think your worship just to echo some of those1696thoughts my colleagues I think communication is absolutely imperative …1697this is helpful hopefully this will address some of the1698barriers in terms of …

sidewalks mobility within the community1699I really hope that it doesn’t impair our ability to1700to insure mobility for all1701and I’d like to just correct something that to councillor1702van Meerbergen stated that the city doesn’t install sidewalks on1703people’s private property install sidewalks on city property1704yeah and that’s a really important distinction because this is1705something the misapprehension that’s been held throughout the communities every1706time we we go through these discussions because people think1707it’s their properties that are being and there that were1708inclusions occur that’s not true …

it’s it’s a very1709well thought out process and …

and and very …1710and clearly identified to happen within the city right of1711way so …

anyway I just wanted to make that1712comment I hope that we can with this find some1713peace and start moving forward because this is a very1714essential component of London plan offering milk mobility planning our1715ability to make sure that this is a city that’s1716inclusive and safe for all because I think the debates1717we’ve had in the past has been …

really not1718productive and and to have really damaged our ability to1719provide for response to things that we need to do1720thank you any other comments or questions 1721all I see none so with that 1722that’s because of 1723closing the vote and the motion carries fifteen to zero1724thank you I think I suppose I think we’re good1725yeah for the civic works committee thanks very much we1726are back on again free of the seventeenth report of1727the strategic priorities and policy committee …

calling councillor Peloza1728percent to report1729thank you your worship this is the meeting we had1730last Monday which was the public participation meeting components this1731communication received …

the written correspondence and the people who1732attended virtually to present to us I will put items1733one and two on the floor1734thank you 1735any comments or questions which of these does separate constructs 1736you’re good with that …

I hope this is the1737appropriate time I would like to …

a bring forward1738…

I deferral based on the …

public comments and1739the public comments first of all I wanna thank everyone1740for attending the public participation1741in budget there was an ask from …

sandy Levin1742regarding our E.

S.

A.’s and I would like …1743just to be up at the odds of to put1744I’m not sure if I need to put the deferral1745on the floor first and then speak to it but1746the deferral would be that …

when I may actually1747if I might …

I’ve …

I make refer back1748to the clerk on this because …

well you’ve asked1749the question with this is the appropriate place for this1750this was a public participation meeting I’ve been advised that1751they should be rate raised we deal with the issues1752of the budget in later in December but I wonder1753if the clerking and to confirm if I’m on the1754right track with that or not please1755through you Mr merry yes the only item before you1756today with respect to the budget is to receive the1757comments from the public the debate regarding the budget would1758happen at the December twenty first meeting so council meeting1759…

it if the intent is to raise an additional1760a motion for additional funds for certain1761on matters that would be more appropriate when you’re debating1762the budget1763construction thank you for that clarification I think it’s important1764to us if I may through you your worship to1765the clerks …

went with that …

when with the1766appropriate time through the budget process …

B.

…1767brought forward the deferral based on the request1768at this participation meeting just a so I can get1769clarification because the budget is quite a long process that1770I’m clear 1771and through Mr mayor I just need clarification referral of 1772what what are you asking refer no I think at1773this point we’re not talking for I don’t meet me1774to put words in the councillors must but I think1775what you’re saying is when we if it if it’s1776not appropriate this time when would be the perfect time1777to bring that forward for budget consideration is set for1778construct yes so …

the deferral that I was …1779…

suggesting what is a confirm …

is that sandy1780Levinson request for …

support for our E.

S.

A.’s1781through …

consideration of adding of the hundred thousand dollars1782through the reserve fund and that was the request through1783the public participation meeting and the deferral that I was1784suggesting would be based on those comments presented at the1785public participation meeting that …

we have staff and …1786work of with a business case so I end up1787for tens so it’s the team that has that service1788agreement and upon conversations with …

staff they would like1789a business case brought forward so I’m not sure if1790this is the appropriate1791time to bring that forward or where would it be1792in the budget process I think we address that this1793wasn’t the appropriate form but I want to come back1794to the clerk and …

based on explanations accounts for1795years to clarify when when the in the budget process1796might be the appropriate time for this to be brought1797forward Dallas1798through you Mr merit at the December twenty first meeting1799when you’re discussing the veggie you could certainly bring forward1800a motion to I either add that amount to that1801and then the budget to add that amount or you1802could delay the approval of the budget if you want1803to refer it back to have a business case prepared1804…

for for upper times1805budget should be increased 1806are you good construction …

because it by and1807I’m not being very clear then this isn’t another chance1808…1809L.

U.

T.

R.

C.

H.

a request this is1810coming from sandy Levin and it’s based on the team1811but it because it’s a financial issue the PPM is1812not the place where that is dealt with and this1813is …

the receiving reported PPM so I think what1814you’re hearing from the clerk is trying to give you1815an Avenue where that could be dealt with …

for1816that purpose but this …

this PPM and the specific1817could specialist PPC meeting …

is not be …

the1818venue for …

that consideration but could well be dealt1819with in December twenty first …

constantly1820of course thank you for that your worship and I1821will will hold I’m relying on …

staff to …1822point that process out and the request for a business1823case moving forward1824thank you very much any other comment just one moment1825go ahead please Sir if if I may your worship1826if I can go to the clerk1827through you Mr chair this was like power just I1828wasn’t at the budget meeting so I didn’t hear good1829discussion and I understand are you were provided with advice1830to raise it tonight at night’s council meeting so1831arm I just want to clarify that that’s I guess1832was the ways that was given at the meeting so1833and I was not the meeting so I just want1834to let you know1835hello that’s an interesting little look at …

I wonder1836if the …

difficult because any other help that she1837can provide to give us some wisdom here as to1838why we might be dealt with in this particular section1839first is what I believe should be a budget item1840self1841…

but please it’s gonna help you provide we’d appreciate1842it1843I thank you I will try through the chair I1844was contacted to …

with respect to the request that1845was made at the PPM and whether or not it1846would be appropriate to raise that during the budget deliberations1847meeting that was held last week or whether that should1848be done here at council and both alternatives were I1849put forward but this is the first I’m hearing about1850it deferral that motion that was …1851provided was an additional direct in direction to civic administration1852so …

I I’m not clear on what’s what we’re1853looking to put on the floor1854if you want to clarify what you’re looking to put1855on the floor and and I may deem it appropriate1856or not but it’s not a question to Noreen you1857should just trying to find the right spot for to1858go ahead councillor up nationalities for confusing the matter by1859using the word deferral and maybe it’s a directive that1860I’d like to bring forward then1861so click does that mean you’ve got the perfect waiting1862for this because I would deem this is …

this1863is a budget item not …

for SPPC but you1864know what’s is to always look for a little bit1865of wisdom from …

those with little more experience than1866I do on such matters councillor Turner what is your1867quick thought on this1868thank you worship you humbled me someplace …

my my1869thoughts on this perhaps it might be helpful if we1870do have this discussion on the twenty first I think1871the intent was that …

we we couldn’t discuss it1872at our budget deliberations because we hadn’t received the report1873from SPPC from the budget TPM1874this is the first time are receiving and council …1875it’s important information …

so it would it would be1876a little off kilter to have brought forward a recommendation1877during the budget deliberations when we hadn’t formally as a1878council received the recommendation from the budget PPM process1879so now with this this is kind of a tied1880with one of the …

the …

proposal statics listed1881in the budget one of the at the business cases1882…

it …

amendments I guess …

associated with1883invasive species management …

I think when we discussed that1884at on December twenty first this would probably be the1885appropriate time to bring that forward …

as such as1886an amendment or as an additional recommendation this one …1887is is a piece that can be addressed …

midstream1888it doesn’t have to be funded and during the budget1889because so the source of funding would be reserves so1890it doesn’t have any levy impacts …

if at some1891point …

D.

as the upper Thames so we’re to1892bring forward a business case we could consider that at1893any point during the calendar year …

and …

and1894look for opportunities there so I think that’s probably the1895best but perhaps if that’s helpful …

a way to1896handle it and we can have that discussion on the1897twenty first1898are we good with that cash thank you very much1899councillor Turner …

are we good with that for the1900moment to construct yes thank you for the clarification if1901that’s the appropriate channels and I will be doing breaking1902for that directive through the budget so noted thank thank1903you and thank you very much the council close I1904think you had that the report on the table the1905full report of …

remember seventeenth or pardon me is1906the seventeenth meeting or twenty nine item one and you’re1907on the floor any other comments or questions1908thanks for much this call the question 1909the motion carries 15 to 0 1910because close I think that’s it 1911please don’t ask you BC record and I will certainly1912return to councillor Hopkins and make sure that any wording1913that she wishes to do is circulated ahead of time1914and I’ll be aware pertains to call for the twenty1915first thank you you make it very easy thank you1916very much for the eighteenth report of the strategic priorities1917and policy committee will look to the deputy mayor because1918at the report offers1919…

thank you worship in a before present the report1920I I just wanted to say a brief comment …1921I would apologize to my colleagues for being distracted at1922the time of chairing this meeting …

I was getting1923some information about …

the accident that happened to happened1924at …

riverside in a Wonderland at the time and1925as people of subsequently known as …

both my wife1926and I know one of the families involved as as1927well as …

they’re individuals at the school she’s principle1928of impacted so I had a little bit more information1929than may have been publicly available it was a it1930was a very distracting1931…

it was very shocking piece of information to have1932and …

hi I may have …

presented the government’s1933working report …

with a little bit of traction in1934the back of my mind so I won’t apologize to1935colleagues for that and I wasn’t able to share it1936at the time because I I certainly didn’t know what1937was public what wasn’t at that time …

without though1938I’m I’m happy to present the eighteenth report of SPPC1939and …

there are three matters that had at least1940three matters I think we should deal with separately …1941one matter is is four point nine the fifth and1942fourth and fifth reports of governance working group …

there1943was a conflict on …

four point one zero …1944which is the one public library board of directors they1945can see and we’ve referred some items to five point1946one the government’s working group membership of which we received1947some correspondence from colleagues at I’d like to deal with1948those three separately which means I’d have numbers one to1949thirteen to present unless any colleagues would like something in1950that one to thirteen range dealt with separately colleagues do1951you wish …

any of one through thirteen dealt with1952internally1953so that’s what we’ll be dealing with now back to1954the deputy mayor yes all put those items on the1955floor then1956comments or questions on what items months researching 1957I see none we’ll call the question 1958closing the vote the motion carries 1959get 1960yes the help of the presentation of this 1961four point nine it’s probably best to turn to the1962SPPC report that’s in colleagues package on pages seven and1963eight you’ll see the consolidated recommendations that came from SPPC1964related to that item there’s a through E.

I know1965I’ve been asked to deal with C.

separately so I1966guess I would ask colleagues if1967there’s some comfort level in dealing 1968with the rest and then see separately or if there1969are other items not listed anyone would like to vote1970on separately so we’ve been asked to colleagues to do1971with C.

independently does anyone wish to have any other1972item dealt with discuss the voted on separately1973councillor helmer please 1974Hey 1975no a I I all of them I just wanna1976be clear …

customer please1977all of them I think is the simplest for everyone1978unless yeah no I think you’re right1979so a and see what are being considered be dealt1980with separately anything else college1981sure if you’re comfortable that their marriage put the balance1982on the floor1983and if there’s no discussion up councillor Turner sorry I1984think1985locally as well I’m sorry I’m having a hard time1986following along between the three different agendas here so I’m1987just trying to make sure I’m getting the right clauses1988yeah1989…

it is either the actions with respect to the1990general operations municipal council correct that’s the one that references1991in in be either one PM start of term council1992…

in twenty twenty to councillor Turner you’ll councillor Lewis1993well please okay all of be1994so that leaves D.

and E.

any officer councillor are1995getting around1996so I think D.

any are easy to deal with1997all the with the rest separately so I think maybe1998we’ll maybe for simplicity let’s just go in order given1999…

software for weight nine one eight on the floor2000a is the …

the changes related to the2001council member expense policy there are several sub items related2002to that and …

so I’ll put all of them2003on the floor and and we can divide up the2004votes as colleagues see fit unless …

college is one2005of on the whole thing so we are …

cultures2006for the benefit everyone we aren’t page seven of the2007eighteenth medium of the strategic provision policy committee report four2008point nine eight is now on the floor comments or2009questions2010because from the headless 2011I just wanted to clarify the content of a two2012M.

delta said SGPC and my understanding was there is2013an amendment from councillor Cassidy which was the opposite of2014what’s in front of us and that that was passed2015so it’s a bit confusing to me why that recommendation2016at least in what I’m seeing an E.

scribe a2017two is still there2018I’ll be there go to the deputy mayor of the2019clerk for that clarification we do recall our routers and2020other things became quite the discussion point which we don’t2021need to re discussed today for the record but I2022do I think that is a fair comment that …2023for that from committee that seem to be something different2024than what we see here I wonder if …

we2025had some clarification yeah I’m gonna ask the clerk to2026clarify the the report they came forward from the governance2027working group had an exclusion from a home internet costs2028in it the the committee decision was to to strike2029that piece and so I don’t know if this is2030worded in the reverse but I I would need the2031clerks to confirm that indeed what we would be passing2032from the committee’s recommendations would be that we struck2033that chunk out and so home internet expenses would be2034allowed2035let’s go to the clerks in place 2036thank you through the chair …

I believe that the2037confusion is created because of the combination of the fourth2038and the fifth reports it was the fourth report the2039directed civic administration to report back to the G.

W.2040G.

up with that proposal and then in the subsequent2041report in the fifth report it was excluded so I2042think that’s where the language is is …

creating the2043confusion but the attached draft policy has does not include2044home internet as a as an exclusion2045perhaps I could turn colleagues attention to page eleven of2046that report and the …

the motion moved by councillor2047Cassidy second to councillor Hopkins that was passed2048twelve three …

deleting the reference but excluding only cost2049services or equipment that2050well I understand that council’s confusion I would look to2051the clerks and how to properly deal with …

anybody2052who would like to vote separately on those components given2053the way that the report is formatted it would prove2054challenging to do so although I would agree that the2055attached policy …

does reflect what we passed at the2056at the SPPC meeting2057perhaps I can ask before we do that if there’s2058anything else in2059and that eight that …

the colleagues would like to2060have dealt with separately if if and if in fact2061that becomes the2062the proper way to deal with that even though is2063dealt with by amendment so it was put in the2064main motion colleagues and then withdrawn a couple of pages2065later and I’m not sure if that is sufficiently satisfactory2066let’s go to the clerk to get some clarity2067thank you through the chair so again part a is2068the direction that civic administration received at the fourth meeting2069which we brought back to the fifth meeting and then2070at the fifth meeting there was a recommendation that came2071forward and as PPC that motion was defeated and the2072new revised attached council member expense policy is part D.2073of this recommendation so part a is just the direction2074to staff to report back at the other at the2075following fifth meeting of the GWG so that that’s already2076been done and then that wasn’t adopted by the SPPC2077as noted in part D.2078well that’s clear 2079deputy mayor 2080yes so I think it be best to go back2081to councillor helmer …

on how we’d like to deal2082with that because …

that makes sense to me from2083the court’s perspective but I read the language of the2084awkward from …

put your phone on the floor perspective2085there is some confusion …

I appreciate that because we’re2086dealing with the fourth and the fifth the reports of2087the government’s working group councillor helmer2088so thank you for pointing that out and 2089I feel kind of silly for not catching the thing2090and I complained about extensively and …

as BBC meeting2091of course it does confuse me once again I’m so2092for myself anyway having part a altogether is fine it’s2093just a direction to report back and that’s already happened2094it’s kind of ridiculous to vote against it I mean2095I I still a vote against it but it’s not2096really very meaningful and then part B.

I think deal2097with that separately apart see definitely anything needs to be2098separate and then D.

also …

because it does that2099incorporates all the changes that are really articulate and any2100other made it through SPPC I’m that’s all I would2101really need I don’t need to vote separately on each2102of the components of a and I would just drag2103it out well the good yep so the good news2104is councillor were probably sixty minutes ahead of the last2105committee meeting when we discussed this so we have a2106on the table as is any other comments or questions2107I know councillor Cassidy has none 2108sorry of course if you do 2109all right seeing none we’ll call the vote on a 2110sorry councillor Cassidy 2111closing the vote the motion carries 13 to 2 2112deputy mayor 2113the components apart be up on separately there are two2114pieces the first one that I put on his B.2115one which is the direction to civic administration to make2116the changes to council meetings to be held at one2117PM a beginning with the twenty twenty two term of2118council there’s and it being noted costs associated with that2119too but …

I will put that item on the2120floor2121okay noting that we did discuss this at some length2122SPPC a wonderful colleagues have any other comments who wish2123to make2124councillor Turner had place 2125your worship more labor this recognize that …

I was2126in a substantial minority on this but to a I2127think it’s still needs to be recognized what what’s being2128done here …

basically excludes anybody who’s working full time2129shift sore or regular days or whatever …

from being2130able to want to to really functionally attend council meetings2131…

yes PPC’s will continue to be at four o’clock2132the council will happen at one …

and so it’s2133gonna be hard to have a foot in each each2134land to be able to do that one of the2135accounts have been near Bergen made to a good points2136the other day it to …

the challenge with what2137we do at council really requires a good understanding of2138governance sick I could understanding of human resources a good2139understanding of budgeting good understanding of policy a good understanding2140of legislation these are things that are that a lot2141of people have and some people don’t …

you can2142either require that through work we can acquire it’s real2143life experience but most of it is usually acquired through2144through work in school2145…

and the people who have those experiences …

and2146in the significant amounts are to be able to bring2147to the table at city council are once you have2148that that career experience to to be able to have2149those discussions2150…

discounting noticed …

would make it really hard to2151bring good quality candidates to the table …

it to2152it’s going to do I’ve already spoken to a few2153people who sat at this discounts them from being able2154to run in twenty twenty two which is disappointing and2155I recognized that discussions on points of my colleagues who2156say that council in general right now disqualifies us from2157being able to run I recognize that my understand that2158too2159the people have the experience in human resources budgeting governance2160legislation …

strategy those kind of things are people who2161make more than what council pace2162and for those people to leave their careers for four2163years for …

for more guarantee of continued employment Jana2164I it’s for short changing a salary streams by it2165I am fairly significant margin I would would find themselves2166not really attracted to these positions on city council so2167I I know the road probably go down exactly the2168way it did last week but …

I’d I’d urge2169you to have some pause and consider what impact of2170drugs decision might be2171thank you any other comments or questions collection 2172I see none we’ll call the question this is we2173are dealing with2174B.

2175I would be one that we can 2176closing the vote and the motion carries 12 to 3 2177V.

I.

on the floor which is the direction civic2178administration to report back to the government’s working group with2179respect to recommendations related to the survey results and other2180feedback related to the staff support model in the councillor’s2181office in …

in capturing the themes …

increase resources2182more flexibility in support duties so I’ll put that one2183on the floor comments or questions colleagues2184I see none we’ll call the question 2185closing the vote the motion carries fifteen to zero the2186PMR2187I could see on the floor C.

is a referral2188…

of a class three point one from the2189fifth report to a future meeting of the government’s working2190group in order to invite all members of current advisory2191committees to have a discussion with GWG on this matter2192if you want to refer see the items that are2193in class three point one …

they are at the2194bottom of page ten …

and kind of going to2195page eleven so it is a referral of those items2196into a process they were GWG would …

would consult2197with that the advisory committees on those recommendations that were2198made2199comments or questions I see councillors 2200thank you your worship in thinking colleagues I voted against2201this referral at committee …

I am rising now …2202because I’d like to propose an amendment to this …2203I think it’s important if we’re gonna send this back2204…

there there’s at least2205…

some direction from us to focus …

not to2206the exclusion of others …

but focus on a particular2207item …

that I heard was a concern for folks2208and and that’s the posed pausing often and populating of2209of some committees and how that’s going to be handled2210so I would like to suggest2211…

that this be amended by adding at the end2212of the clause …

…2213to read including specific dialogue to include discussion related to2214the proposed pause of populating some committees2215and the associated discussion with respect to the proposed committees2216slash task forces for the master mobility plan and the2217climate emergency action plan …

and let’s see if there’s2218a seconder for that and then I’d like to offer2219a little bit more …

comment on my reason for2220seeking this amendment2221okay I’m trying also to see if that so let’s2222first see if there’s a seconder for that2223I see councillor van Meerbergen seconding …

I’m not sure2224clerks to have all that2225they say yes so we’ll have a chance to review2226that as2227as just discussed councillors you’re on deck 2228good thank you worship so I think any discussion that2229we have with the advisory committees …

in terms of2230this government’s working group report …

when those meetings are2231called by the chair I think it’s really important that2232we have a a discussion with them particularly on the2233pausing of these three committees …

I know that I2234was one of the things in the recommendations that not2235everyone was comfortable with …

and I’m really mindful of2236the discussion that was had …

at GWG …2237by the members around and with our staff about the2238overlap …

in redundancy that we may get from the2239master mobility plan and the integrated transportation advisory committee …2240as well as the overlap that we might get with2241the climate emergency action plan …

along with the ecological2242stewardship advisory committee and the name is going to scare2243me with a new name for you pack …

but2244the the two committees that will be dealing with …2245issues around our environment and where the overlap to be2246there so I think it’s really important if we’re going2247to take the time to …

have a referral back2248…

to discuss the report in general that part of2249the dialogue is is focused around this particular item I2250think one of the the goals that we are trying2251to achieve in looking at restructuring of the advisory committees2252in fact I know it was one of the goals2253was …

that we were looking to reduce overlap and2254redundancy in some of the committee work realize some efficiencies2255there and get some good advice back and I think2256that what we’ve seen with the master mobility plan and2257a climate emergency action plan suggestions that have come forward2258is once again we have a considerable amount of overlap2259so if we’re going to take time to consult with2260the committee’s I I would really like at least part2261of that discussion to be focus specifically on this …2262I I see there being an opportunity to discuss with2263the committee rather than creating these new task forces do2264we …

directs …

these to those appropriate committees for2265them to take on to their work plan I think2266the master mobility plan for example …

would rightly be2267the the purview of the integrated transportation committee but I2268think that there might be a role for the accessibility2269advisory committee in that consultation as well …2270I think that …

as I mentioned there are two2271committees working on environmental issues that I think the climate2272emergency action plan suggestion they came from he packs through2273pack might also be something that’s assigned to those committees2274as part of their work plan rather than creating wholly2275independent ones or that we maybe are populating2276of those two items with our members to represent a2277joint committee meeting …

where we bring the two committees2278together to discuss those items at a particular meeting I2279think it’s worth having the discussion we heard from Mr2280hell of a time …

you know how the structures2281and and the formalities sometimes don’t allow the committees to2282do what they want I think this is one of2283those examples where if we discuss with them …

the2284potential for a joint committee meeting on a topic like2285the mobility plan …

if we discuss with them these2286items coming to them as meaningful parts of the work2287plan …

which which is consistent with some of the2288other …

recommended terms of reference I think it’s worth2289having that discussion with them …

to me if we’re2290just going to refer or just have a referral to2291have a discussion that’s based around …

the status quo2292I’m I’m not interested in doing that but I am2293interested in in hearing their thoughts on how we can2294perhaps not pause these three committees …

but let them2295be populated and move for with some meaningful work too2296so I hope colleagues will take that …

in the2297spirit is intended in support this amendment thank you other2298comments or questions2299customer please 2300just on the amendment through the merit wonder if councillor2301Lewis could clarify it sounds like you’re just adding on2302a specific topic to general discussions about narrowing the discussion2303is just making sure that this particular thing would be2304discussed we have the2305the meeting governance working group so the idea let’s ask2306councillors2307…

thank you worship and then three to councillor helmer2308thanks for the question yes that is the idea …2309that it doesn’t preclude the did the job2310right what I don’t want is for this particular topic2311to get2312general discussion and so putting an emphasis on making sure2313that this is part of it not to the exclusion2314of all the other topics but …

that is really2315focused in that this is going to be an item2316that is raising consulted on councillor helmer2317great as per the moment good idea 2318any other comments 2319I see none we’ll call the question 2320councillor Cassidy councillor van Meerbergen 2321I’m just reading and trying to digest this was sort2322of sprung on me at the last minute2323yes 2324closing the vote and the motion carries fifteen to zero2325so …

a couple ways we can proceed with this2326and and deputy Meryl direct …

get your thoughts on2327this whether we now deal with this as amended or2328whether we deal with it later on your pleasure …2329yeah well at sea was amended so I think …2330I’m happy to move C.

as amended I think I2331need a seconder now that it’s been amended they’ll give2332him a seconder for that I see councillor Lewis …2333seconding that2334…

not sure if there’s any other and new comments2335or questions on the systematic councillor Cassidy2336again next this is even more confusing than it was2337at SPPC I am2338I don’t see he anywhere on the P.

2339nobody is what it is I’m happy to help clarify2340if I can so on page eight of the committee2341report there is …

item C.

which is the referral2342of clause three point one to the government’s working group2343to do the things that it says and classy the2344items in clause2345three point one you can find on page ten of2346the report if you want to review them and then2347…

council’s successfully just passed an amendment which would include2348a specific focus that …

I would say adds to2349that list of things that we would be out consulting2350on so C.

as amended is as it is there2351plus the amendment which is passed councillor Cassidy that helpful2352thank you and then I have councillor Hopkins please 2353yes thank you your worship and …

my apologies if2354I’m a little confused myself and I know we’re dealing2355with advisory groups of myself talking about it a public2356participation meeting in the future is this the opportunity to2357ask a question around advisory groups it was suggested here2358that we are going to be pausing the advisory groups2359as set up now and I I just would like2360further clarification …

that we are not causing I know2361I’ve had …

questions raised by the public …

are2362we ending our advisory groups as of December thirty first2363twenty twenty one …

I have not exactly sure2364where we are and it emphasizes which has come up2365further down the line in these amendments that we’re making2366…

I’m not sure that’s why I am Lester for2367the back to the deputy mayor and seeking help but2368clarify what’s going on here2369yeah 2370I 2371so if the government’s working group made a recommendation which2372included all of those things including the positing of the2373committees …

none of that was an acted upon …2374biased BBC in order to come to council not forms2375all of it was referred back to the advisory committees2376up for another round of consultation with them on that2377recommendation that came through governance working group with the addition2378now of of the amendment and so …

as governance2379working group chair I would could tell you what my2380intent would be to consult on all of the stuff2381that that that was in that …

item that came2382before us the PC …

including the addition today …2383with the …

with the existing advisory committees2384is that helpful construction as it is very helpful so2385in other words we have not made a decision on2386advisory group so I would ask questions for you your2387worship to to Clark are we going to continue with2388what we’ve been doing with our advisory groups until council2389makes a decision on advisory groups it’s my question the2390question’s been director the clerk with respect to the ongoing2391support of advise all the nicer groups2392thank you through the chair …

that is our intention2393is that they would continue …2394we would convene the existing members as required until such2395time as council directs otherwise2396trump consent helpful thank you thank you 2397any other comments or questions councillor van Holst I I2398I see you2399thank you your worship 2400I’m just not that we may have to set up2401another meeting with the governors are working group and the2402the advisory committee members I don’t know that the items2403listed here are are necessarily the ones that are running2404are most important to them to discuss2405in like there were some other issues that were important2406that may not be included in these but we can2407certainly2408cover these 2409as as as an initial 2410the consultation 2411thanks for my change the comments or questions from colleagues 2412so this is the amended C.

and with that 2413we will call the question 2414councillor van Meerbergen 2415well yes 2416closing the vote the motion carries fifteen to zero colleagues2417before I turn it back to the deputy mayor my2418intention to check the pulse2419soon we have pulses so when this …

that when2420this particular SPPC reports done I’m sure we do to2421determine if you want to take a brief break so2422you consider that …

we have …

a2423confidential session …

as the final item to deal with2424…

on this or any other matters brought forward by2425colleagues so with that I’ll turn it back to the2426deputy mayor2427councillor van Meerbergen has hand up your worship 2428 2429because remember in place 2430yes thank you mayor thank you deputy mayor as well 2431I made a mistake sadly in boulder earlier are still2432point nine P.

small all right one o’clock start time2433sticking vote2434informed by the court but some possible reconsideration could happen2435under emergent motions2436just wonder about up 2437so yeah no I’m not conferring with the clerk I’m2438sorry because remember going I always get wisdom as I2439needed from2440people are smarter than me which is pretty much everyone2441in this room and on2442yeah so with that …

you have asked for a2443reconsideration of …

of one particular items2444right 4.9 B.

all right 2445the 1:00 start time 2446it’s been suggested that …

that you deal with it2447under a merger motions in the channel call for that2448look for you if that’s alright to yes thank you2449thank you councillor2450every month …

I did someone else have their end2451up I apologize2452all right thank you a different 2453…

okay …

so the next item this report is2454…

D.

which is the consolidated changes to the council2455members expense policy it is attached to the report it2456includes …

I I believe if I remember correctly all2457of the changes that were worked on in suggested by2458the governance working group with the exclusion of a one2459which was in the original government …

GWG recommendations it2460excluded home internet that was struck and so that would2461be permissible now in this iteration of the council expense2462policy saw put D.

which is the approval of that2463um updated and …

document on the floor for approval2464thanks very much comments or questions2465I am not seen any questions we will 2466call the question 2467no 2468closing the vote and the motion carries 2469the PMR 2470 2471a number of clauses that were to be received …2472there’s also in it being noted …

so I’ll put2473a sense of the balance of the report on the2474floor this is the balance of the report colleagues any2475comments or questions2476I see none we will call the question 2477well yes 2478closing the vote the motion carries 15 to 0 2479okay that completes I don’t 2480B.

C.

agenda I know fifteen was asked to be2481separated due to a conflict it is an appointment to2482the London public library board of directors I will put2483that on the floor2484thank you very much comments or questions 2485seeing none we will call the question 2486yes 2487it’s 2488closing the vote and the motion carries 14 2489thank you very much different 2490item sixteen is a governance working group membership of colleagues2491who are calling an educational business I inquired as to2492the process for adding new members to governance working group2493it is down to the committee of for …

we2494earlier in the meeting referred to pieces of correspondence from2495two different councillors to this part of the agenda requesting2496to be appointed to the governance working group …

I’d2497like to do two things …

one is I’d be2498happy to move the motion of any one interested this2499is a …

working group that does not have a2500cap on membership any member of council can basically ask2501to be added to it …

I would also2502obviously be interested if there’s any other councillors at this2503time who would like to be added I’d be willing2504to put their names forward as well might be helpful2505…

deputy mayor if you confirm the two individuals that2506you’re referring to yes both and councillor Cassidy and councillor2507five Miller I wrote …

correspondence requesting to be2508on the committee okay colleagues are just wanna stress again2509that there’s no limitation on this committee …

this is2510open to any and all members of council who wish2511to participate on the government’s working group so with that2512I will …

I will open it up if any2513individual wishes to self nominator indicating interest in participating in2514the government’s working group all recognize councillor helmer2515for 2516I’d like to add my name 2517thank you so noted anyone else wish to have their2518name put forward2519so we are collagen that we have councillor Cassidy councillor 25205 Miller councillor Helmut 2521you have a do you have a seconder for this 2522I see councillor Lewis thank you very much 2523H.

say last call because you made it sound like2524…

like we’re …

done it seems but …

but2525this as I’ve indicated this is an opening that …2526that all members of council participated2527so with that I will call the question of knowledge2528in it we three colleagues who are plan put their2529names forward2530okay 2531Turner 2532closing the vote the motion carries 15 to 0 2533add something to this are you down there thank you2534very much25352 councillors 5 Miller Cassidy and home of 2536…

and the current members of the government’s working group2537you know when you do this you do this for2538all of us in terms of looking at the interests2539of council and …

in this very specific areas so2540…

and …

sick and councillors issues so we do2541appreciate are grateful for all your contributions all members of2542the2543and I could generalized cell members of all committees but2544…2545then you the 2546I want to that so colleagues we’ve got here a2547situation is now six forty we have an emergent motion2548which is councilmember Gonz reconsideration we have confidential session which2549we’re dealing with four items washed accrue to clarify I’m2550not here to presume and go back in a public2551session I’m not here to presume how long that will2552take I suspect not too long but I’m at your2553pleasure with you want me to carry on with this2554meeting or would do some does anyone or some wish2555to have a fifteen minute break2556I see councillor Lewis what’s your thoughts 2557thank you your worship I’m gonna move the fifteen minute2558recess2559okay yeah can I get a seconder for that 2560councillor Cassidy this just a show of hands let’s take2561a for a fifteen minute break2562it is Sussex forty we will presume will resume at2563six fifty five and the computer business thank you all2564for this and to the public I just bear with2565us a little bit and …

our intention is to2566you with a couple of small items I believe in2567public session in going to confidential session so you’re aware2568and come back …

into public session that is done2569thank you2570when 2571you’re gonna 2572just a moment 2573please transfer screens on please 25742 houses 2575the clerk advises we have quorum colleagues there are no2576deferred matters that I’ve been made aware nor inquire res2577…

but …

I’ve been made aware of an emerging2578motion and so we seek leave …2579for same …

so for that I will look for2580a mover2581cancer 5 Miller seconder 2582thank you very much this is on the …

…2583concert because Ranveer Bergen’s2584…

a motion so with that …

this is …2585to seek a leaf for the merger motion with that2586we will call the question2587councillor helmer and councillor Lewis 2588councillor Lewis 2589I’m just verbally yes 2590closing the vote the motion carries fifteen to zero altar2591of conservation referred you like for the motion on the2592floor2593we just 2594thank you Merrick 2595yeah apologies for this R.

4.9 2596we are if we could help reconsideration on that 2597motion 2598would be appreciated 2599give a seconder for that because remember I see councillor2600van Holst thank you very much2601so it’s specific to four point nine I’ll be clear2602guy2603okay I think you very much so that we’ll call2604the question2605up top …

deputy mayor just a point of order2606I believe councillor van Meerbergen was on the losing side2607of that though it’s we can’t move the reconsideration I’d2608be happy to move it for him2609moved 2610thank you 2611what we know he will be able to the wrong2612place we actually was on the winning side so my2613mistake2614no I think we’re okay the first time but if2615we want to vote using2616there’s a country song in there somewhere thank you very2617much we’ll call the question2618she 2619yes 2620no no no no no no no 2621not 2622clerk 2623councillor American they’ve motion that’s on the floor is to2624whether to allow the reconsideration vote2625it 2626I don’t 2627 2628I do not but I want okay 2629okay thank you you may want to 2630yeah this is the chair typically direct quotes of council2631called2632thank you hi my reduced 2633so you need to change your vote if you wish2634to do so2635let me clarify it’s up to you 2636yes it was changed to a vote 2637this 2638so click voting in progress button 2639thank you very much 2640you’re very welcome and the motion carries 15 to 0 2641well done councillor van Meerbergen so far we’re getting to2642a point this is all good …

I’ll ask clerk2643then just to clarify that the motion which is now2644being2645our return to the table …

for consideration of the2646vote is their for your consideration clerk called to you2647yeah 2648so we’ll need a mover seconded the motion back on2649the table Lacey I’ll take a deputy mayor Morgan and2650second by councillor Lewis thank every five dollar excuse me2651I know there are no comments or questions this is2652just for a reconsideration of the vote so with that2653we will call the question2654closing the vote and the motion carries 10 to 5 2655thanks very much colleagues are gonna turn your attention now2656to the bylaws we’ve bills one through thirty six and2657if it’s your pleasure I’m gonna include the …

the2658bylaw thirty four really need to Southdale and so tell2659in that unless you want that pulled separately2660hello I will be voting on those one three thirty2661six2662with that …

then I will look for a mover2663and a seconder moved by councillor van Meerbergen seconded by2664councillor five Miller …

let’s call the question2665closing the vote the motion carries 2666colleague so 2667for second reading bills one three thirty six inclusive moved2668by councillor Hopkins seconded by councillor Helmut thank you very2669much2670any discussion 2671seeing none we’ll call the question 2672closing the vote the motion carries 15 2673second or third reading acted of bills one through thirty2674six inclusive will by councillor van Holst seconded by councillor2675Lehman2676we will call the vote 2677closing the vote the motion carries 15 to 0 2678mover and a seconder going to 2679 2680before we do that I will go to the clerks2681and just confirm …

to the public what it is2682through we will be dealing with2683clerk Mr Marion going into closed session to consider for2684matters …

one is a labor relations employee negotiations matter2685second is the solicitor client privilege advice matter the third2686is a litigation potential litigation and solicitor client privilege matter2687and the fourth is a personal matter about identifiable individual2688thank you so with that said to go to …2689to move councillor closed session look for a mover2690councillor Cassidy second by councillor Peloza 2691are we good with a show of hands 2692what’s all those in favor 2693motion carried thanks very much to the public …

we2694will return out of the closed session back in a2695public session …

for …

some items and work2696from there thanks for much with that we will now2697going to close colleagues just give us a few moments1we’re just going to a technical a little bump colleagues 2please allow for screens on please 3I look for the clerk to confirm core 4yeah 5the clerks confirm quorum 6colleagues said report out of the first 7session of council closed session I’ll turn to cancer five8Miller place9and your worship 10on the first report of the council in closed session11your counseling closed session report number one tentative agreement12that as a procedural matter pursuant to section two thirty13nine bracket six of them in the municipal act two14thousand one the following recommendation be forwarded to council in15closed session for the purpose of considering whether the recommendation16should be forwarded to council for deliberation and a vote17in the public18that on the recommendation of the city of the deputy19city manager enterprise supports detached memorandum of agreement20I agree to items dated September twentieth and twenty first21two thousand twenty one concerning the twenty twenty one twenty22twenty three collective agreement for service employees International Union local23one bracket registered nurses bargaining unit full time and part24time bargaining units closed bracket representing full time and part25time registered nurses at the dearness home be ratified26thank you very much to have a seconder for that 27I see councillor Lehman thank you very much 28comments or questions any discussion 29I see none 30therefore we will call the question 31councillor Salih folding manual yeah 32thank you 33closing the vote and the motion carries 15 to 0 34thanks for much and …

colleagues know will now deal35with one bylaw which is headed bill thirty seven and36I have a copy of that in front of me37here which I would like to make public …

to38be just absolutely clear what we’re voting on here39…

number one that deals with the appointment as of40Michael shoulders as city clerk of the corporation of the41city of London and that the bilateral point …

Catherine42Saunders should be repealed that seems so final but that’s43what it says here and then a by law …44two point Michael show this is deputy clerk is repealed45and that this comes into force in effect on the46seventh of June twenty twenty two so for first reading47I thought I would try to slide another six months48in here but …

the clerk is paying attention …49issue often does so it is actually on the seventh50day of January two thousand twenty two51so with that I’ll look for a mover …

for52the direction first reinvent itself thirty seven moved by counsellor53Louis seconded by councillor Peloza we’ll call the54councillor 55closing the vote the motion carries 56colleagues on all 57second reading of added bill 37 moved by 58councillor Lewis seconded by 59councillor helmer thank you very much 60there will be discussion I know so I’m gonna take61a liberty colleagues turn this over to the deputy mayor62I’m gonna make some comments and then will that if63anyone else wishes to speak to this deputy mayor64get a good American 65so this is our colleagues one is very happy in66and said moments all of us on council along with67those who occupied the seats in prior times over an68enormous debt to Kathy Saunders we’ve all leaned heavily on69Kathy during your time as clerk for her guidance or70wisdom in a seemingly Bottas bottomless reservoir of knowledge on71how to effectively govern and how to move this city72forward a number of ways she’s a consummate professional and73personally speaking I can say to you but I benefited74so much from her expertise frankly more times than I75can remember76there are so many examples one can use highlighting her77injury brilliance in this role I think first and foremost78of Kathy’s exemplary skill and leadership in helping our city79become the first and only Ontario municipality there are only80undertake a rank ballot election two thousand eighteen but to81do so without even the slightest election hiccup on election82night and the days that followed83this was a monumental milestone and it’s one that made84Kathy a rockstar among her colleagues across the country and85frankly press with …

within the city that kind of86success doesn’t happen by accident and it doesn’t happen without87extremely talented and devoted an individual88at the house to the clerk I’m not sure if89you’re doing a happy dance or looking into reflective pool90but either way can I certainly Sam behalf of myself91and all members of council Kathy thank you from my92heart for all of your service in your your dedication93to this community94you you deserve the very best in retirement 95we’re gonna Michelle the person not a list miss losing96our coffee pets which I have done consistently for the97three years I’ve been in this position but from all98our hearts to you Kathy thank you99we’ll have more centre new clerk …

later on …100in terms of …

his new role but for date101today Cathy from all of us to all of you102sincere sincere thanks103deputy mayor 104yes I put myself on the list and …

I105…

I don’t have anybody else to for106okay so we’ll take …

I I believe the deputy107mayor wanted to make some comments108I did thank you worship and thank you for your109thoughtful comments …

so far I wanted to rise in110support of bylaw I’m sorry bill number thirty seven …111and I want to talk about two parts that bill112the first part is the appointment of Mr shoulders as113the city clerk …

and I’m glad that he’s able114to join us in the room today because …

he115can hear …

the comments from …

from colleagues and116and and of course those in the room can congratulate117him in person at the role that the118through the chair 119you’re taking on is is is of paramount importance to120the municipality it is one of the few rules that121is very clearly defined in the municipal act and has122enormous responsibility …

within the act one of the first123items assigned to the duties of the clerk is to124record without Notre comment all resolutions decisions and proceedings of125council it is it is the public record in a126neutral and fair way …

that is the responsibility of127this office and it takes a special kind of individual128not only to have to deal with municipal council on129a regular basis but to to have that responsibility on130behalf of the citizens of London and on behalf of131history to accurately support and record the proceedings of this132chamber and this body133I cannot think of a more qualified individual them Mr134Scholl to send for those in the community who do135not know him yet …

he is impressive and if136you have a chance to talk about his resume and137his experiences …

you will clearly know why …

council138is supportive of this decision …

so to Mr shortest139…

I wish you all the luck and especially you140know keeping us in order and and holding us on141track142and for all the important advice that you will give143the shares the mayor …

and and councillors …144good luck and …

and and thank you for taking145on this role second part of this bylaw is is146is is part there where I might get just a147little bit personal …

and that is the repealing of148 149like Saunders …

bylaw which I know will come in150effect on on the seventh but I wanna say to151…

click Saunders as a member of council …152I think some of my 153best moments and and three houses for most difficult moments154have been you know engaging with you …

and and155your support whether that’s sharing a very contentious debate with156colleagues you know …

putting on the spot to make157a really tough call in the only person the room158that you can get advice from is you and your159team and leaning over and and listen to that that160requires an enormous amount of trust I know you have161earned that for every member this horseshoe and I thank162you personally for the advice and guidance that you’ve given163me and my time is chairing committees as trying to164budget …

and as a counselor to ensure that I165get the best possible advice to make the very difficult166decisions that that that I’ve had to make it easier167it requires a special person as I said above Mr168shelters and and you have not only done this job169but also have that wealth of experience of being a170CIO and many other positions a professional planners that they171do you have …

it will be a huge a172huge hole to fill …

your contributions the municipality are173unparalleled and …

and174and you know whatever you do next …

if they’re175very lucky to have you whether that’s retirement and it’s176…

you know your spouse and you get to to177do something more fun …

you’re a wonderful individual an178exceptionally talented clerk …

and and …

a delight to179to have had the opportunity to work with …

so180thank you I will say and and you know we’ve181joked over the years …

that I’ve always try to182think of myself as a clerk in training my love183for the procedure bylaw and process I’ll say I think184it’s really interesting that you get to sign the bylaw185the repeal your bylaw …

probably only me you and186Mr Barbour maybe we’ll think that’s interesting but …

…187I I I I didn’t I I was glad to188get a copy of of the bylaw for Mr shortest189St and your repealing your bylaw …

I’ll do something190up nice with it share with both you and …191and again thank you for the contributions you made to192the city of London and the mayor said it very193well but …

personally over the past seven years …194I couldn’t imagine being a city council with their the195advice and guidance you’ve been able to get …

and196I thank you for that I know we knew each197other before …

I know will know each other after198…

but this special role the relationship that we were199able to have professionally …

I will tell you …200…

forever so thank you201thank you deputy mayor councillor Lehman 202thank you 203at the risk of …

being repetitious …

what what204what with what has been said already205…

the specialist …

that’s one impressive CV holy smokes206…207…

I think if I it’s at the scene that208…209…

considering candidates and I didn’t know you and you210are applying from the outside211…

I might be wondering what’s the personality that comes212with that …

with that resume …

but I’ve been213fortunate that we’re fortunate …

that you’re within the city214we work with you215and I can say …

you have the right temperament216personality to take on this …

very demanding …

…217challenging job …

appreciate your judgments of and working218with you and I know you’re going to excel at219this position the city of London is the sole fortunate220…

to get a person of your qualifications …

to221fill those shoes …

our city clerk that is222retiring223all rights to the city clerk …

of Saunders and224it’s funny how you know a lot of the two225speakers that preceded me kind of reduce it down to226a personal level because I think …

you know is227it is councillors were …

we don’t have our own228snow party here it’s very individual system and we need229a lot of assistance …

to to get through …230get through our area just search all as councillors for231me personally …

when I first …

came on232council there were some challenging things and I really need233your guidance …

to get through some very choppy waters234and you were …

able to provide me with …235…

without you know at all leading in236any direction but with with for sure making me understand237…

the parameters responsibilities legalities of my roles councillor that238allow me to to get to the right place and239so I will always appreciate that240and then of course during my term here it’s been241a pleasure to deal with you whether it’s crafting motions242or getting advice on how to handle things …

and243so it to watch your skill …244and being in this chamber …

and handling very challenging245…246…

Dinesen decision …

on the spot on the fly247you know there’s a phrase that says all an iron248hand in a velvet glove five local not far …249let’s say you have a strong hand in this way250but …

and …

without you …

or so we251wouldn’t of …

been able to manage as well as252we’ve done because there’s a lot of253very smart and strong individuals on council we’re blessed with254a good council but with that comes …

you know255the challenging debate and …

your guidance …

…256in the heat of battle it’s been so much appreciated257so as the mayor said bitter sweet 258really sorry to see you go but …

wish you259the best …

thank you so much for the service260London261thank you councillors 262thank you your worship I I’m not going to repeat263all the eloquent things that have already been said by264the three speakers proceeding me …

but I I did265want to rise and and just personally …

and and266I will be a little personal first to to Mr267Shukla’s Michael we know you’re going to be great in268the role and …

as councillor Lehman said well the269the CV that you bring is incredibly impressive and …270…

there were things I learned about you through that271that I was completely unaware of and …

only adds272to my respect and admiration for the work you do273so I look forward to working with you …

in274the future and I know you’re gonna be leading a275great team276on the repealing of the bylaw 277with clerk Saunders 278hi Kathy you are leaving huge shoes to fill 279but the fact that we are promoting from within 280says what an incredible leader for your team have been 281and 282I also just want to share personally how I’m gonna283miss our conversations whether it’s in the hallway or during284recess …

and catching up and I want to share285this because I think it’s important for the public to286know at the end of the day we have rules287to fill here but we’re also human beings and whether288it’s chatting about the Leafs games and I’m gonna miss289having another we stand in this chamber290that see what we can do about that but we291did bring in councillor move so she’s she’ll help feel292that loss and we are down to councillor squire so293that’s one less habs fan I’ve got to deal with294so I guess it balances out in the end but295I’m gonna miss those conversations and I appreciate through the296three years that I’ve been here all the support …297guidance and298personal consideration …

that you’ve given myself and and other299members of council because you treat us …

not just300in our professional roles but personally as human beings and301that is greatly appreciated and you will be missed302thank you ugh I have consciously 303thank you Mr 304J.

not everything that could be said has been said305but I just wanted to add you know I really306when we sat clerk Saunders307okay well deserved retirement and want to thank her for308her many years of service that’s where the thing that309I’ve known her for seven years going on eight a310time really seems to fly by …

but I mean311early on my term I was very apt actors with312motions and Kathy was us start click Saunders is very313supportive and very helpful and helping with many of those314motion so I think happening my successes …

to her315and I thank her for that I know …

a316lot of people don’t realize but clicks to work always317around the around the clock whether it’s not responding to318me late in the evenings or on the weekend sometimes319with inclusion motions I have to come up and have320a positive impact in our community and have an impact321in the city so I’ll see you in your family322thank you for your service and wishing you well deserved323retirement324thank you 325as rockets 326thank you are your worship and Mr solstice 327we are lucky to have you and 2 of 328how clerk 329I want to just make the statement …

of how330important the clerk’s office the value that you get council331is332of imperatives to us doing our work 333giving us the information to keeping us organized on time334aha I don’t think the public realizes that value and335it is important that we are336show the public how important the clerk’s office is to337council …

I personally want to thank you33813 there for me 339through a through challenging times 340and it’s personal 341but I’ve also watched you be there 342for all of us as well 343so thank you 344I will miss you 345and …

I’m glad that today is not real estate346so they’ll be other times to …

have those cats347and …

please continue348so good luck with everything 349you for being there for us 350thank you any other comments colleagues 351because van Meerbergen 352America first 353hearty congratulations to up to Michael and we wish you354only the best as we go forward355but I do have to say it 356when it comes to copy she it I remember when357she first started358it just seems like yesterday it’s just blown bar 359but she helped to right the ship it was a360little unsteady at the time and she kept that ship361upright and steady 362she really is unflappable 363when she has true arm 364navigate from the hot seat 365and she could have easily gone insane 366in this position 367but clearly she hasn’t 368and it’s for a great sense of humor 369right sense of empathy 370I’m that contributes 371to her 372ability to order around 373just 374she was 375talent 376or that particular role 377so clearly we’re all going to Mr I certainly well 378can we wish you only the best and have a379great retirement380well if the clerk is an insane 381I’m sure we try to contribute to councillor van Holst382please383thank you worship 384to 385it’s Saunders says your role 386comes to an end …

here well let me say387well done388and the and also so much has been said but389thanks I want a chance to extend my own personal390gratitude which is what I feel …

when you when391you leave and …

Mr shortest392congratulations …

you’re so perfectly qualified for this job I’d393like to go back in time to the first entrance394where you were asked what do you want to be395when you grow up396one wonders 397if it wasn’t to wasn’t this this job so I’m398very399very confident that you’ll be doing 400excellent work for us and yeah look forward to 401through the 402your first year on the job 403thank you councillor any other comments 404councillor Cassidy 405thank you your worship 406I’ll start by saying …

congratulations to Mr Schultz …407I change the408wonderful pleasure of working with our my call over at409the last few years and …410it’s like she was born for this job so I411know what we’re used to with Kathy that they vice412D.

D.

unflappable nest as as others have said I413know all of that will continue and and Michael will414bring his own added flair to the job although like415Kathy Michael is very staid and calm and even so416where even might be a bit of an overstatement but417I’m sure he will put his imprint on the job418and I’m I’m so looking forward to that I do419want to add my comments about clerk Saunders420councillor Hopkins I didn’t want to do this 421she has been a rock for not just this council422but …

for the last council and for me personally423I’ve spent so many years playing with her little frozen 424…

figurines she’s got all the figurines from the frozen425movie on her desk and I’ve even426talk to my daughter Lucy so many times about the427wind was you with younger pro428about these little dolls and all the little things just429aren’t that many times exciting Kathy’s office430getting advice 431balancing things on her 432I’m brainstorming and …

I don’t ever recall a time433where we’re Kathy was too busy to to speak to434me just like counsellor Salih all hours it feels like435there’s never there’s never time off for the clerk and436and I do appreciate …437her generosity with her time and her wisdom in our438expertise439my councillor Hopkins 440we will there be in some challenges over the last441seven years in a bit and I’m happy with are442we443somebody that I could not to she was always the444calm voice of reason445yes councillor van Meerbergen pointed out and at the end446of violence447the one thing that I’m getting used to in this448job is saying goodbye to people …

if you look449at the difference photographs where that we take at the450beginning of every term with council and staff there’s so451much change from photo to photo and with the photographs452don’t capture are the changes that have been in between453the photographs as well so454I know this is not happy is last day 455by ends and I know that in the retirement is456being …457sort of a long process which is good because it’s458giving me a chance to get used to the idea459of460not seems happy at city hall anymore like I’ve grown461used to sell462best of luck to you Kathy in your retirement well463deserved as others have stands464I thank you for everything you’ve done thank you so465much466thank you S.

closer 467thank you your worship and ever so briefly thank you468to Kathy for all that she has done for always469being a warm smile an open welcoming door at a470moment’s notice as things often happen quite quickly around council471and for having an ability to turn it insurmountable task472then asked473in two easy things that we can accomplish and for474her ability to wordsmith convoluted discussions and the opportunities with475clear so the deliverables for council to consider and vote476on and this gets the point of what we need477thank you so much for your years of service your478dedication someone enters479you will be mast but have a great legacy with480us in a great successor tonight and Mr Shelton’s answer481him thank you you’ve been a huge asset on council482already and I’m looking forward to watching you grow and483come into your own space in the years to come484thank you485thank you councillor hillier 486I will 487each month I will keep this even shorter Kathy knows488I feel of Aldershot excuse help me quite a bit489over the last and funding for this but I did490so much advice and I’m looking forward to the moment491when I can bring her it doesn’t but our church492and she will take them493I think we all would councillor thank you very much494…

any other comments or questions for the clerk are495for this …496this question open question session 497customer 498thank you a lot of great things have been said499I remember when that500when the rubber tired idea was because it was earlier501on and I was502less used to seeing people 503retire and new people step up to fill in 504their roles in and do it in a different way505but I was very sad to see Linda go and506I thought she did a wonderful job and one of507the things that I saw after she did retire was508the depths of the quality of the people in the509clerk’s office and it was around that time that Mr510shop that’s stepped into the role deputy city clerk and511that you know for one person here Kathy in a512letter role is ending and I hope you have a513great retirement you certainly deserve it and …

I wish514all the best the traditional dances just that is the515beginning of an opportunity to really show us what he516can do as city clerk and I think guys maybe517once said518well suited to that role it’s a tough 519John very demanding and I think that the social classes520gonna rise to the occasion I look forward to seeing521them522in that role and 523I want to drag it out 524at lots of things in the chambers I will say525one of the things that526I appreciate what the clerk whether it’s Kathy or the527Debbie city clerks were clerk is at that particular meeting528is that they always give us their best advice and529they talk to us honestly530and that’s what we need for the city clerk and531that’s we’ve got from Kathy and that’s what I hope532we got from533Mr shortest I’m very confident that we will 534thank you any other comments for the clerk for Iraq’s535…536added though 37 537if yes I’m gonna I’m gonna allow the clerk to538respond because this is a little unique but I will539invite any of our …

council colleagues540to make any private representations to the clerk and knowing541that she still has a little bit longer I’ll go542with that I think the it would be appropriate …543to hear from the clerk544thank you Mr Mehra before I came to the 545the meeting today my husband made sure that I wrote546something down because he knew I would be crying so547…

I did I didn’t want to take this opportunity548because this is the light my last meeting that’ll be549at someone and get this opportunity again so I’m some550history ready road so I can hopefully keep it together551and for a person who started out as a bylaw552officer and I in the city berry I’m ending my553career with my dream job554thank you to the Kotte and for the council to555time for having the faith on the trust to put556me in this role many thanks as well to Jim557barber the card Martin here word and Lynn Livingstone for558their support over my twelve years with the city of559London560members of council thank you for the trust you pretty561me I know that we may not have always agreed562but I hope that even during those differences of opinion 563you understood that my role was to provide the best564advice I could and ensuring the protection of everyone involved565including the corporation566I also want to thank members of the public who567for the most part …

even when they have disagree568with me respective thought I had a role in a569job to do570when I started with the city of London I said571I was looking forward to the challenges well those were572delivered573a lot 574but even with those difficulties and challenges I learned a575lot but what stands stands out most for me is576the kindness and support shown to me and how rewarding577this role has been for me578like Michael but I mean I would I always want579to be clerk so I I did the education and580work my way towards this581but those I want to show my most gratitude to582is my for my family past and present in the583city clerk’s office584councillors office provincial offences administration and argue it’s members of585stop in the cafeteria586you will never see a manager rose only as successful587as a team that they are working with you will588never see the amount of work that is done behind589the scenes by the staff members who make things go590so smoothly the time and care staff take with the591public is second to none592R.

two they have a true reflection of what a593public service Sir it is meant to be594ms people room will remain supportive of each other even595the most challenging of times I will be forever grateful596for the support that they have given me and I597will miss them so much but I am looking forward598to joining former deputy city clerk Linda rolled in with599the retirement gig600you’re being locked in very very capable hands and I’m601very proud of Michael and …

I couldn’t be more602proud than I am right now603your new sensei clerk will be awesome 604and Barbara thank you and Michael you will shine in605your new roles congratulations606colleagues thank you Kathy thank you all for your comments607again …

we’ll have an opportunity for the next …608privately in your own way if you wish to make609any other comments to Cathy if she’s listening the thing610I would share with you …

from what I’ve heard611from comments tonight just a few brief things …

I612didn’t realize frankly …

the issue of insanity as it613relates to the clerk nor did I realize the issue614of …615of the clerk with the …

iron hand in the616velvet glove or that she has a fetish for frozen617dolls but you know what I really appreciated colleagues but618what we’ve said is this …

is that it’s like619that book Tuesdays with Morrie where we see all these620nice things to someone621while they’re here to hear it and Kathy I can622tell you for the sincerity and depth of comment from623all of us …

is indicative of the commitment to624your mate to all of us I will never forget625you for that so thank you626colleagues let’s call the vote 627so we’ve only manually a 628thank you 629closing the 63020 631remover sector third reading enactment of bill thirty seven do632I have a mover please councillor helmer seconded by councillor633hillier thank you very much634we’ll call the question 635putting a consciously 636closing the vote and the motion carries 14 637calling for we adjourn now 638and I’ve come to truly appreciate 639the in this 640administration we truly have the Dream Team when I think641of our clerks I think of clerk a Kathy Saunders642I think of …

deputy clerk barb Wesley power I643think of for a deputy clerk Michael shoulders center the644clerk I think the staff that …

we have …645as we’ve heard …

throat today646…

is Livingston and …

London Ontario has the Dream647Team and …

I just want to say thank you648to all of our staff for the work that they649do and the lip sinking that apparently went on today650in support of the …

food bank and all that651you do so …

to all of you on behalf652of city council our heartfelt thanks with a look for653a motion to adjourn please654I see councillor Peloza and I see councillor Shawn Lewis655who likes to do that sort of thing so I’ll656click what’s your age as your last meeting here do657we do ahead we’re going to go really formal I’m658at your pleasure659fine for him but 660so the clerk demands are handled so with that by661show of hands those in favor of adjournment662councillor Salim we need you last time 663the area I said 664my hands up I got it 665and motion carries thanks very much thank you all thank666you clear meeting adjourned

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